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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:18 pm

A four-year-old girl was badly injured after a brick was reportedly thrown through a window of her father's van after an altercation between him and a group of youths.


Jersey-Lou was left unconscious with broken nose and glass in her face

Jersey-Lou Perry, who was strapped into a passenger seat, was left unconscious and suffered bruising and a broken nose. She also lost two front teeth and her face was cut by glass from the smashed window. Shards were embedded in her skin following the incident last Thursday in Grimsby, Lincolnshire.

Jersey-Lou's family will not know whether there will be any long-term effects until she has been seen by a bone specialist next week. Her father, Kyle Perry, has told how he was with his partner Kylie, Jersey-Lou and two-year-old daughter India when the incident happened.
The 23-year-old said a group of youngsters were kicking a ball against his vehicle and he told them to stop doing it because it was "scaring the girls".

He said as he started to drive off, a youth then threw an object at the window.M r Perry said: "I heard glass smashing and looked over to see if everyone was all right. That's when I saw Jersey-Lou had been hit. She was out cold and there was blood everywhere."

The girl's mother Laura Mussell, who split from Kyle some time ago, told how she was "heartbroken" when she first saw the state of Jersey-Lou's face. The 22-year-old said: "It's incredible to think anyone could live with themselves for doing such a thing to an innocent little girl. If I was the parent of the coward responsible I would be completely ashamed. And the first thing I'd do would be to drag them down to the police station." She added: "Jersey-Lou's injuries have gone down a bit now. But her dad has only just pulled out another piece of glass from her cheek."

Police have told Sky News they are investigating the incident and a 17-year-old youth is in custody.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Child-Jersey-Lou-Perry-Four-Hurt-After-Brick-Is-Reportedly-Thrown-Through-Window-Of-Fathers-Van/Article/201104315975892?lpos=UK_News_Second_UK_News_Article_Teaser_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15975892_Child_Jersey-Lou_Perry%2C_Four%2C_Hurt_After_Brick_Is_Reportedly_Thrown_Through_Window_Of_Fathers_Van


Disgraceful behaviour No Poor little girl, no wonder people are so worried about challenging anti social behaviour. What is the world coming to? Sad

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:26 pm

Then you know how to vote on May 5th then! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

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Post by victorismyhero on Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:39 pm

Feelthelove wrote:A four-year-old girl was badly injured after a brick was reportedly thrown through a window of her father's van after an altercation between him and a group of youths.


Jersey-Lou was left unconscious with broken nose and glass in her face

Jersey-Lou Perry, who was strapped into a passenger seat, was left unconscious and suffered bruising and a broken nose. She also lost two front teeth and her face was cut by glass from the smashed window. Shards were embedded in her skin following the incident last Thursday in Grimsby, Lincolnshire.

Jersey-Lou's family will not know whether there will be any long-term effects until she has been seen by a bone specialist next week. Her father, Kyle Perry, has told how he was with his partner Kylie, Jersey-Lou and two-year-old daughter India when the incident happened.
The 23-year-old said a group of youngsters were kicking a ball against his vehicle and he told them to stop doing it because it was "scaring the girls".

He said as he started to drive off, a youth then threw an object at the window.M r Perry said: "I heard glass smashing and looked over to see if everyone was all right. That's when I saw Jersey-Lou had been hit. She was out cold and there was blood everywhere."

The girl's mother Laura Mussell, who split from Kyle some time ago, told how she was "heartbroken" when she first saw the state of Jersey-Lou's face. The 22-year-old said: "It's incredible to think anyone could live with themselves for doing such a thing to an innocent little girl. If I was the parent of the coward responsible I would be completely ashamed. And the first thing I'd do would be to drag them down to the police station." She added: "Jersey-Lou's injuries have gone down a bit now. But her dad has only just pulled out another piece of glass from her cheek."

Police have told Sky News they are investigating the incident and a 17-year-old youth is in custody.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Child-Jersey-Lou-Perry-Four-Hurt-After-Brick-Is-Reportedly-Thrown-Through-Window-Of-Fathers-Van/Article/201104315975892?lpos=UK_News_Second_UK_News_Article_Teaser_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15975892_Child_Jersey-Lou_Perry%2C_Four%2C_Hurt_After_Brick_Is_Reportedly_Thrown_Through_Window_Of_Fathers_Van


Disgraceful behaviour No Poor little girl, no wonder people are so worried about challenging anti social behaviour. What is the world coming to? Sad

Yes, BUT....the moment the few of us that can see whatshappening suggest dealing with it appropriately, the bleeding heart liberals start screaming....such things as how does violence teach not to use violence, and 'umanrights, and other such patent nonsese...well I SAY...the liberatii, have had their chance...what is happening today is SOLEY the responsibility of the softy liberal...of any colour....dont smack. dont cane, dont punish (i mean really punish, by making prisons rotten stinking hell holes, with sod all facilities....flogging etc). I quite agree...it will not teach that violence wont teach to not use violence...what it WILL do is instill a sense of FEAR into those idiots...certainly after the first dose of that. Morons like this should be publicly flogged untill they are half skinned...then they should be rubbed with salt....THEN they should be punished.... If someone knows that if they carry out such a heinous crime they are going to be flogged to within an inch of their life, then possibly incarcerated in some living hell for 5 years.....perhaps...just perhaps...they wouldnt do it in the fist place. Instead, thanks to the tree hugging, self flagellating, socially destructive liberals, the neanderthals in our society know doman well they can do as they like, with little fear of any real retribution. Do you really think giving this piece of excrement 18 month (and i will be surprised if he gets that long) and some pointless "therapy courses" will REALLY make a difference and turn him around....NO, he will laugh his head off at society, and consider what he has done to be a badge of honour.
Cripple the b'stard and leave him to starve...he is of NO value to society and we can well do without him
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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:01 pm

I do agree Victor that whatever sentence this guy gets will be pathetic and wont change him at all. Our justice system is too soft by far. I wouldn't accuse all liberals of being responsible for such nampy pampiness however, some of us still have our commonsense.

That said I don't know what would be appropriate, a few years maybe? It is a horrible thing to have done. I also agree our prisons should offer the bare minimum for prisoners to get by. The amount we could save by not catering to all their 'rights' must near billions?

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Post by victorismyhero on Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:05 pm

eilzel wrote:I do agree Victor that whatever sentence this guy gets will be pathetic and wont change him at all. Our justice system is too soft by far. I wouldn't accuse all liberals of being responsible for such nampy pampiness however, some of us still have our commonsense.

That said I don't know what would be appropriate, a few years maybe? It is a horrible thing to have done. I also agree our prisons should offer the bare minimum for prisoners to get by. The amount we could save by not catering to all their 'rights' must near billions?

AH but (there's always an ah but) thats not the point EIL...what we need is a SEVERE justice system, something with real teeth that the oiks will live in fear of. a few years is not enough even simply the bare minimum.....the prisons should be victorian hell holes.....
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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:10 pm

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AH but (there's always an ah but) thats not the point EIL...what we need is a SEVERE justice system, something with real teeth that the oiks will live in fear of. a few years is not enough even simply the bare minimum.....the prisons should be victorian hell holes.....

2 points:

Would you offer 'hell holes' to a prisoner who maybe didn't pay their council tax? Or even a severe case, say someone was speeding and hit somone in their car, killing them. They are clearly devastated and traumatized by what they've done... should they suffer in a hell hole? They should certainly do time, but how much should they be punished (considering they will be mentally punishing themselves for life)?

Second. Crime still occurred in Victorian times. I don't know the proportion but the population is 10x greater now than then. Even severe punishment dosen't always work, because no one ever intends on getting in trouble I imagine.

I agree it should be severe, but these things are a little complicated on occassions I think.

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Post by victorismyhero on Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:19 pm

eilzel wrote:

2 points:

Would you offer 'hell holes' to a prisoner who maybe didn't pay their council tax?

No

Or even a severe case, say someone was speeding and hit somone in their car, killing them. They are clearly devastated and traumatized by what they've done... should they suffer in a hell hole? They should certainly do time, but how much should they be punished (considering they will be mentally punishing themselves for life)?

Yes

Second. Crime still occurred in Victorian times. I don't know the proportion but the population is 10x greater now than then. Even severe punishment dosen't always work, because no one ever intends on getting in trouble I imagine.

So, you think this waste of oxygen didnt intend to get into trouble ? hmmm...what he didnt intend was getting caught, and if being caught he KNOWS he wont be punished.I agree it should be severe, but these things are a little complicated on occassions I think.

You see Eil, I think this is where you and I differ most of all, rather than simple politics, You seem to beleive in the innate goodens in people whereas I dont. I always expect the worst from people, then, when they prove me wrong, I'm pleased to be proved wrong, but when on the occaisions they prove me right, I'm neither dissapointed or surprised, or EVER caught off guard.....


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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:21 pm

This case is a shocking endictment of the way the Liberal Loony Left have failed to protect the Human Rights of the victims and concentrated on the rights of the perpetrator. There is no deterrent nowadays. The prisons are so soft with their tv's, their playstations, their holiday camp environment and the blind eye being turned when the drugs get passed around. Prison should be a place that no criminal wants to return to --- EVER. Until the day when the law says that the punishment fits the crime this kind of assault and others will continue to be committed.

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:25 pm

victorismyhero wrote:

You see Eil, I think this is where you and I differ most of all, rather than simple politics, You seem to beleive in the innate goodens in people whereas I dont. I always expect the worst from people, then, when they prove me wrong, I'm pleased to be proved wrong, but when on the occaisions they prove me right, I'm neither dissapointed or surprised, or EVER caught off guard.....

Well you are right in that I think there is goodness in all. Don't see that as a negative personally (I know so wet lol) Wink

But it's not that I don't expect the worse from people, with some it's a sure fire hit. I just don't think having overly (imo) extreme punishments would alter things. Stupid/nasty people will still do stupid/nasty things with no thought to the consequences. I doubt this guy thought for instance, when he threw the brick; 'oh well,if I get in trouble its only 18 easy months' any more than he'd think 'erk, better not do this else I'll be in a cesspit getting beaten up for the next 5 years'.

They are idiots, thinking isn't their strong point Evil or Very Mad

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Post by victorismyhero on Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:26 pm

fred bloggs wrote:This case is a shocking endictment of the way the Liberal Loony Left have failed to protect the Human Rights of the victims and concentrated on the rights of the perpetrator. There is no deterrent nowadays. The prisons are so soft with their tv's, their playstations, their holiday camp environment and the blind eye being turned when the drugs get passed around. Prison should be a place that no criminal wants to return to --- EVER. Until the day when the law says that the punishment fits the crime this kind of assault and others will continue to be committed.

In this case fred i agree the looney liberals have a lot to answer for, however...its not just liberal loony left....we should stop using the media constructs of left wing and right wing...they serve only to confuse.....the tory liberals are as bad as the labour liberals, and the worst of all are the liberal liberals.......
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Post by victorismyhero on Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:33 pm

eilzel wrote:

Well you are right in that I think there is goodness in all. Don't see that as a negative personally (I know so wet lol) Wink

But it's not that I don't expect the worse from people, with some it's a sure fire hit. I just don't think having overly (imo) extreme punishments would alter things. Stupid/nasty people will still do stupid/nasty things with no thought to the consequences. I doubt this guy thought for instance, when he threw the brick; 'oh well,if I get in trouble its only 18 easy months' any more than he'd think 'erk, better not do this else I'll be in a cesspit getting beaten up for the next 5 years'.
They are idiots, thinking isn't their strong point Evil or Very Mad

Anyways gotta be going. Night all Smile

SO...why has this sort of criminality increased like wild fire since the late 50's early 60's?

before then yes things like this could happen...but oh so rarely....There is a (very) small hardcore of morons that will not be deterred...recidivists...but they usually ended up either hung or incarcerated for life....I guarantee if punishments were severe (vicious even) 90% of this sort of thing would dissapear after the first half dozen had been flogged.

no the ship stared sinking when "liberal" policies started rearing their ugly heads....Now we have society tearing itself to bits and turning inward to eat itself.
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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:56 am

victorismyhero wrote:

You see Eil, I think this is where you and I differ most of all, rather than simple politics, You seem to beleive in the innate goodens in people whereas I dont. I always expect the worst from people, then, when they prove me wrong, I'm pleased to be proved wrong, but when on the occaisions they prove me right, I'm neither dissapointed or surprised, or EVER caught off guard.....

Agree Victor.

Whilst I do believe in the innate intelligence in mankind, I rarely credit all humans with empathy, compassion and "goodness" unlike many others I encounter.

I am always polite and well-mannered and a bit of a stickler for the rules but am like you neither surprised or shocked by random acts of violence. Prison SHOULD serve as a deterrent when it comes to violent crime and I do love it when people try to compare today's society in the UK to violent crime associated with the Victorian society yet obviously have zero idea of how life would be like prior to the welfare state, universal health care and education.


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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:15 pm

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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:34 pm


SO...why has this sort of criminality increased like wild fire since the late 50's early 60's?


Because of allowing people who weren't born in the country and don't give a crap about what happens to it, live there permanently and have [many] children.

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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:49 pm

John wrote:
SO...why has this sort of criminality increased like wild fire since the late 50's early 60's?


Because of allowing people who weren't born in the country and don't give a crap about what happens to it, live there permanently and have [many] children.

Whilst I cannot deny immigration has certainly contributed to much of this countrys crime rate; I wouldn't be so quick to site this as the main cause. There are so many white youths (chavs) thesedays who are far too aware of what they can get away with; who see 'asbos' as something to wear as a badge of honour, who want to be all 'gangsta innit' etc. I hate to agree with Victor on this (as I tried so hard to fight the other side) but for SOME of these proper punishment is all that will suffice- personally I think schools are partly to blame, and that blame lies with the last government and the one before.

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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:59 pm

eilzel wrote:

Whilst I cannot deny immigration has certainly contributed to much of this countrys crime rate; I wouldn't be so quick to site this as the main cause. There are so many white youths (chavs) thesedays who are far too aware of what they can get away with; who see 'asbos' as something to wear as a badge of honour, who want to be all 'gangsta innit' etc. I hate to agree with Victor on this (as I tried so hard to fight the other side) but for SOME of these proper punishment is all that will suffice- personally I think schools are partly to blame, and that blame lies with the last government and the one before.

But why do we have so many "Chavs" eilzel? Question

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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:02 am

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But why do we have so many "Chavs" eilzel? Question

A mixture of reasons I'd say- c/rappy influencial music, lack of discipline at schools, bad homes, a restrained police force, misplaced Human Rights- to give a few.

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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:59 am

MrDoodles wrote:

But why do we have so many "Chavs" eilzel? Question

MrD, I'd say the huge benefits culture coupled with very lapse policing and dealing with criminal behaviour by the courts along with a complete dumbing down of the nation's education and finally allowing business an opt out of all these issues by employing vast amounts of foreigners to do the jobs that cannot be filled by our chavs.

Its all fairly easy to understand isnt it?

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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:20 am

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MrD, I'd say the huge benefits culture coupled with very lapse policing and dealing with criminal behaviour by the courts along with a complete dumbing down of the nation's education and finally allowing business an opt out of all these issues by employing vast amounts of foreigners to do the jobs that cannot be filled by our chavs.

Its all fairly easy to understand isnt it?

I agree for the most with what you have said, it's pretty much what I said in the post before; but this bit is a little concerning:

"...and finally allowing business an opt out of all these issues by employing vast amounts of foreigners to do the jobs that cannot be filled by our chavs."

Sounds a lot like "it's really all the foreigners faults" was another country that took that line, someone where in the middle of Europe not even 100 years ago...

It's also wrong (in my opinion of course) I think, to suggest having less immigrants would mean no chav culture.

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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:45 am

eilzel wrote:

I agree for the most with what you have said, it's pretty much what I said in the post before; but this bit is a little concerning:

"...and finally allowing business an opt out of all these issues by employing vast amounts of foreigners to do the jobs that cannot be filled by our chavs."

Sounds a lot like "it's really all the foreigners faults" was another country that took that line, someone where in the middle of Europe not even 100 years ago...

It's also wrong (in my opinion of course) I think, to suggest having less immigrants would mean no chav culture.

I appreciate that your views on this are different from mine. Personally I can see that having a healthy respect for keeping our citizens in work as opposed to importing vast amounts of labor from abroad does not in any way equate with a somewhat tenuous link to Nazism from the last century.

It is entirely your right of free speech to keep trying to reinforce that idea but really here in Wales we have many issues but Nazism is not really not one of them. You can keep using the word if you wish though although like I say my belief that it is unnecessary to allow millions of a nations citizens to opt out of being a responsible citizen whilst importing vast amounts of foreign workers does in no way make me a fascist.

I do not see how ensuring that big business offer a salary and work conditions favourable to British workers whilst having the political will to NOT make long-term unemployment benefit a viable alternative to work, makes me "blaming the foreigners".

Eilzel, I am a very pragmatic person and I believe that the above choice is the only way forward for our country. As the recession bites harder, and you do understand that this particular oil price hike shows no sign of reversing, we will have to stop all the name-calling and deal with the reality that people here in the UK are starving, losing their jobs, their homes, their future. I doubt whether campaigning for, voting for, begging for a reversal in this situation makes them all Nazis. Your concept that trying for survival makes people Nazis will begin to fall more and more on deaf ears I'm afraid Eilzel.


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Seren wrote:

I appreciate that your views on this are different from mine. Personally I can see that having a healthy respect for keeping our citizens in work as opposed to importing vast amounts of labor from abroad does not in any way equate with a somewhat tenuous link to Nazism from the last century.

It is entirely your right of free speech to keep trying to reinforce that idea but really here in Wales we have many issues but Nazism is not really not one of them. You can keep using the word if you wish though although like I say my belief that it is unnecessary to allow millions of a nations citizens to opt out of being a responsible citizen whilst importing vast amounts of foreign workers does in no way make me a fascist.

I do not see how ensuring that big business offer a salary and work conditions favourable to British workers whilst having the political will to NOT make long-term unemployment benefit a viable alternative to work, makes me "blaming the foreigners".

Eilzel, I am a very pragmatic person and I believe that the above choice is the only way forward for our country. As the recession bites harder, and you do understand that this particular oil price hike shows no sign of reversing, we will have to stop all the name-calling and deal with the reality that people here in the UK are starving, losing their jobs, their homes, their future. I doubt whether campaigning for, voting for, begging for a reversal in this situation makes them all Nazis. Your concept that trying for survival makes people Nazis will begin to fall more and more on deaf ears I'm afraid Eilzel.


Ok Seren, but it is not only this occassion where you and other nationalists have at least insinuated foreigners are to blame for all or most of societys ills. The nazi allusion is a bit cliched though, so I'll give that a break for now Cool

I actually agree that immigration has in many ways kept wages low and lower class white people out of work; I have said this here and elsewhere a few times. My issue with this is not that I am denying immigration as a problem though, or that I might actually support it, or that I'm even steeped in PC dogma. My issue is that for those already here, and the large majority who are a here for good reason, stirring up tensions can not lead to any positive outcome.

Imagine you are of an immigrant family, or are a longterm immigrant yourself living and working here. You come to one of many sites like this or read a paper like the Daily Mail or the Daily Star. You see all the negative press your kind are being given. YOU are to blame for low wages. YOU are taking the jobs of the English people. YOU refuse to conform to British society.

This may all be true of a minority of those who are here to abuse the system and our way of life (like Choudry and his ilk); but many will not be. And I see when in the street or on the bus, the looks given by certain disillusioned men to ANYONE black or Muslim, as though they are filled with contempt for anyone not the same as them. It is chilling to imagine what they might be thinking and uncalled for, most of those not white indiginous Brits will be working and will be good honest people.

I want the people in work too Seren, especially for our long standing white British population. It is the constant beating of the drum against foreigners, immigrants, Muslims etc I find worrying. Because the frustration is not only vented at those who ARE a problem- but against all of them in general. And that cannot lead to anything progressive; and certainly if an angry Nationalist party ever DID get into power, the trouble that would result is positively terrifying.

Again though, sorry for referring to Nazism, it is quite pointless. I hope my post helps you understand where I'm coming from.

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eilzel wrote:

Ok Seren, but it is not only this occassion where you and other nationalists have at least insinuated foreigners are to blame for all or most of societys ills. The nazi allusion is a bit cliched though, so I'll give that a break for now Cool

If I give my daughter's pocket money to another child then that child now has the pocket money and not her. It is not the FAULT of the other child, nor does it make that child a THIEF. But it doesn't alter the fact that the other child now has the pocket money.

I DO NOT blame foreigners for getting housing benefit, welfare benefits, British jobs, British housing etc over British indigenous citizens. I do blame politicians for putting their needs above those of Brits however.

I will never get bored of explaining these basic concepts to you so please by all means come back with how this makes me racist and anti other races and nationalities.

Imagine you are of an immigrant family, or are a longterm immigrant yourself living and working here. You come to one of many sites like this or read a paper like the Daily Mail or the Daily Star. You see all the negative press your kind are being given. YOU are to blame for low wages. YOU are taking the jobs of the English people. YOU refuse to conform to British society.

Why would I imagine that I had gone to another country and done this. What would be the earthly point of me imagining that?

This may all be true of a minority of those who are here to abuse the system and our way of life (like Choudry and his ilk); but many will not be. And I see when in the street or on the bus, the looks given by certain disillusioned men to ANYONE black or Muslim, as though they are filled with contempt for anyone not the same as them. It is chilling to imagine what they might be thinking and uncalled for, most of those not white indiginous Brits will be working and will be good honest people.

Only the other week I was in my local town centre and watched a couple of young school girls in their uniforms walk past a group of young immigrant men. The looks that I saw those young men give those girls, unbeknownst to the girls of course, was probably far more scarier than some huffy or contemptuous looks given by some white indigenous (note the spelling) Brits to obvious muslims or obvious immigrants, black.


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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:55 am

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If I give my daughter's pocket money to another child then that child now has the pocket money and not her. It is not the FAULT of the other child, nor does it make that child a THIEF. But it doesn't alter the fact that the other child now has the pocket money.

I DO NOT blame foreigners for getting housing benefit, welfare benefits, British jobs, British housing etc over British indigenous citizens. I do blame politicians for putting their needs above those of Brits however.

I will never get bored of explaining these basic concepts to you so please by all means come back with how this makes me racist and anti other races and nationalities.



Why would I imagine that I had gone to another country and done this. What would be the earthly point of me imagining that?



Only the other week I was in my local town centre and watched a couple of young school girls in their uniforms walk past a group of young immigrant men. The looks that I saw those young men give those girls, unbeknownst to the girls of course, was probably far more scarier than some huffy or contemptuous looks given by some white indigenous (note the spelling) Brits to obvious muslims or obvious immigrants, black.


First point: I didn't call you racist. All I did was claim that foreigners are not always to blame. I understand the govt is responsible for the problems you highlight and hopefully this govt will take measure to stop this sort of thing happening.

Second point: I was trying to see if you could understanding things from another persons pov (in this case the immigrant or descendant of an immigrant). Clearly this was too much to ask, I'll move on.

Third point: Yes there are irrational dislikes and resentments from both sides. I can't stand either.

You have however overlooked the underlying fear of racial and xenophobic tensions exploding into trouble that was the key to my entire point. I agree with much of what you are saying, including on the origins of this point concerning crime. But that dosen't change the fact that focusing too much on all these people and supporting groups like the EDL (or UAF) is only likley to make matters worse.

I'm sorry if I find it hard to look at this soley in my own interests as an Englishman and am burdened with being able to see things from the opposite (in this case immigrants) pov.

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First point: I didn't call you racist. All I did was claim that foreigners are not always to blame. I understand the govt is responsible for the problems you highlight and hopefully this govt will take measure to stop this sort of thing happening.

Well sorry but seriously it does come across as such sometimes. In the original explanation I gave about one of the reasons being allowing big business to employ foreigners as opposed to making them employ Brits you IMMEDIATELY brought up the point that I, others, whoever, were BLAMING THE IMMIGRANTS/FOREIGNERS so forgive me if I have had to nail you down on this point. I have a good command of English and I know exactly what I say and as I do not pussyfoot around subjects, worrying about how I am perceived I understand the exact difference between being racist or xenophobic and being nationalistic.

Second point: I was trying to see if you could understanding things from another persons pov (in this case the immigrant or descendant of an immigrant). Clearly this was too much to ask, I'll move on.

Thank you. Having empathy or compassion for different groups or demographics are not required by law I believe. In fact they only exist within Christianity and to some extent Buddhism to my knowledge. As we move towards a more secular society you will probably see more and more people chucking out these outmoded ideas which really were foisted upon us whilst you'll find our elite care not one jot for such lofty sentiments.

Third point: Yes there are irrational dislikes and resentments from both sides. I can't stand either.

You have however overlooked the underlying fear of racial and xenophobic tensions exploding into trouble that was the key to my entire point. I agree with much of what you are saying, including on the origins of this point concerning crime. But that dosen't change the fact that focusing too much on all these people and supporting groups like the EDL (or UAF) is only likley to make matters worse.

Oh but here you misunderstand me Eilzel. I do totally see that this situation WILL explode into trouble. Simmering resentment of this recent immigration being orchestrated by our elite will not just dissipate naturally. The new, is it 4 million, immigrants into this country have changed the demographics of this country far too quickly for many British people.

We have councils celebrating the violent Brixton riots as indicative of how oppressed poor little Jamaican immigrants felt back then, surveys telling us that Oxford University, the school head master system, TV advertising are institutionally racist because there are too few blacks represented in them when anyone in Britain knows that this is because Britain is a white country so the figures represent the actual demographics.

Expect to see more and more violence happen as the recession bites and the cuts take away vital services whilst benefits are cut for the masses that relies upon them.

I notice these things Eilzel because they affect me and my family more than they do you.

I'm sorry if I find it hard to look at this soley in my own interests as an Englishman and am burdened with being able to see things from the opposite (in this case immigrants) pov.[/quote]

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