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Post by Admin on Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:40 am

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Post by Philagain1 on Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:27 am

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Post by Sassy on Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:20 pm

Seems to me Phil, that you only care that they like your 'tribe' ie people that are gay. What they do to children for example, you don't give a damn. Now me, I don't just care about my 'tribe' but about principles. And condemning a country that tortures and kills children and not giving them money for tourism is one of those principles. Oh, and that 'cuisine'? Enjoy, because most of it is traditional Palestinian.
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Post by Sassy on Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:23 pm

And that land is soak in the blood of the people who owned it. Jaffa - now part of Tel Aviv. Newspaper 1948



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Post by Philagain1 on Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:12 pm

Sassy wrote:Seems to me Phil, that you only care that they like your 'tribe' ie people that are gay.   What they do to children for example, you don't give a damn.   Now me, I don't just care about my 'tribe' but about principles.   And condemning a country that tortures and kills children and not giving them money for tourism is one of those principles.   Oh, and that 'cuisine'?  Enjoy, because most of it is traditional Palestinian.  

It's a safe place to visit!

One of my mates used to enjoy visiting Eygpt. That is no go now due to Islamist terror!
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Post by Philagain1 on Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:14 pm

Sassy wrote:And that land is soak in the blood of the people who owned it.   Jaffa - now part of Tel Aviv.   Newspaper 1948




We'll go and have a look!
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Post by Sassy on Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:57 pm

What are you going to look for? Blood in the sand? FGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Post by Philagain1 on Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:35 pm

Sassy wrote:What are you going to look for?   Blood in the sand?   FGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

It's white sand apparently, so should be easy to spot.
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Post by Philagain1 on Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:41 pm

Stanstead is nice to fly to and from as it's relatively quiet and bars at the gates.

Never been to Luton before though.

Never flown out from one airport and returned to another though, i read though that there are going to be more stable flights to Israel though as easyjet are going there soon Cool
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Post by Philagain1 on Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:34 am

Gaza

The FCO advise against all travel to Gaza (including the waters off Gaza).

You should not approach the perimeter fence surrounding the Gaza Strip.

The FCO is not able to support individuals applying for entry or exit permits for Gaza. If you decide to visit Gaza against FCO advice, you will need to contact the relevant Israeli authorities well in advance. If your entry to Gaza is via the Rafah crossing, you will need to contact the relevant Egyptian authorities in advance. The FCO is no longer able to provide administrative support for UK charities wishing to enter Gaza via the Rafah crossing.

The Rafah border with Egypt regularly closes with no warning and for long periods of time. At these times it may be impossible to enter or leave Gaza. The FCO can no longer offer routine consular assistance in Gaza. If you travel to Gaza you should review your security arrangements regularly and make sure you know what to do if you hear a warning siren.

The FCO recognise the need for major international organisations to carry out humanitarian and reconstruction work and to engage in independent reporting and verification of the situation on the ground in Gaza. Medical and other essential specialist staff should co-ordinate their entry to and exit from Gaza with those organisations.

Don’t attempt to enter Gaza by sea, including via a flotilla. The Israeli Navy routinely patrol the area and have made clear that they will prevent any vessels attempting to breach the restrictions. You will be detained and deported, and your electronic equipment is likely to be confiscated. The FCO does not believe that humanitarian supplies should be delivered in this way. Anyone wishing to send humanitarian assistance or other goods to Gaza should do so through established channels.

In 2010 Israeli forces boarded a ship bound for Gaza. Nine foreign nationals were killed and many more injured.


What a Face affraid

....Won't be going anywhere near!
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Post by Philagain1 on Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:13 am




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Post by Philagain48 on Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:12 pm

OMG!....The interrogations at the airports were pretty bad, they are very strict with full firing questions about where you live, how long have you been with your partner, what jobs have you done, do you know anyone in the middle east..One Israeli security guy was very suspicious of me and right up until the flight left...They searched my case behind the scenes but they packed it better than i had done after.....It was the same at Tel Aviv though, but i looked the guy in the eye and said that i wasn't very happy with the experience!....so eventually they let me in! cheers

The flight was full of orthodox Jewish people in all the garb with the hair ringlets etc, the guy in front, his son, he was doing religious teachings with...I had two gay Jewish guys in the seats next to me canoodling Razz

I got chatting to the old orthodox Jewish guy in the seat in front, he got me to sign a card thanking the staff on the flight, he seemed to be looking out for me, perhaps because he had witnessed the further interrogation of me at the departure gate?...He pulled me up when the plane landed ...'enjoy!'

So....It's a very gay city..there are young gay guys walking around and holding hands...It's like the Brighton of the middle east!

I have all the coach trips booked to Jerusalem and Nazereth etc...the sea of gallilee etc..

...It's a very personal trip for me and i'm enjoying it!
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Post by Philagain48 on Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:21 pm

Ok...so i can't upload photos! Shocked
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Post by Philagain48 on Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:24 pm

They probably looked at my laptop which was in the case and saw this site, not a problem with facebook though!
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Post by Philagain48 on Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:32 pm

....Then there is no way to do it!
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Post by Philagain48 on Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:40 pm

.....This trip has been so bloody tough, my brother went back earlier.

It's the Olly Alexander documentary that pushed me a bit forward!
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Post by Philagain48 on Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:46 pm

....I can get myself out of any situation by leaving that situation, i can fly back at a time of my choosing if needs be..i can chill out in the hotel room which has sky news on tv lol

...I have a mini fridge! lol
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Post by Philagain48 on Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:48 pm

....But i won't because i want the coach trips! Cool
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Post by Sassy on Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:49 am

Sounds wonderful - not.

At least they will let your coach on the roads the Israelis use and you won't have to bump along on the shit ones they force the Palestinians on.



f you didn't have peripheral vision, it would probably be fine. If you didn't glance to the sides of Israel's highway 443 between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, then it wouldn't smack you in the face that the road is – how shall we put it? – segregated. As it is, you can't help but notice that when the 443 passes by the Israeli town of Modi'in and heads east into the occupied West Bank, some of its side-routes are blocked. Concrete boulders, metal barriers, rubble and heaps of rubbish halt roads from Palestinian villages such as Beit Sira and Beit Ur al-Fuka.

And if you stop at one of those barricades, a complicated coping apparatus comes to light: cars deposit weary Palestinians who work inside Israel at these blocked routes; on the other side, lines of parked Palestinian cabs await to resume the interrupted journey home.

Palestinians without permits to work or travel inside Israel can't be on the 443 at all. So for the 3,000 inhabitants of Beit Sira, one of six villages affected by the blocked highway, a trip to nearby Ramallah, about 12 miles away, now takes hours via minor roads that are prohibitively long, pot-holed and sometimes flooded. Some 55,000 Palestinians are thought to be affected by the road ban.

The Israeli military barred Palestinian access to this road in 2002, citing security reasons after several shootings in which five Israelis were killed. But last December, Israel's supreme court ruled that this sweeping ban on Palestinian movement was disproportionate and that the roadblocks had to be lifted.

The court pointed out that the 443 – which cuts through the occupied West Bank for a 12-mile stretch – had only been approved during the 1980s on condition that it would be open to all. (A comic Hebrew animation explains this here.)

The army has had five months to sort it out, but that time was mostly employed by ministers to scaremonger about how an open 443 would make sitting targets of Israeli drivers, who would instantly migrate to the main Tel Aviv-Jerusalem route, highway 1 – and choke it.

Now the military has unveiled its response to the court's decision: a sort of de-block-and-re-block manoeuvre. The idea is to partially open parts of the road but to compensate that with an extra checkpoint at one end, scrutinising those Palestinians newly permitted to drive this limited section.

And so, once again, the Israeli military – the real authority in the West Bank – has shown that, unless absolutely compelled to do so, it cannot be trusted to do the right thing in the occupied territories. No matter that thousands of Palestinians who have nothing to do with any shooting or stone-throwing are denied easy access to the most basic facilities. No matter that sick patients don't make it to hospital on time; or that Palestinians have to rise at the crack of dawn, slip through the crevices of concrete barriers and creep slowly though an Israeli checkpoint – while Israeli-plated cars breeze past – just to get to work.

And why bother getting to the bones of the issue by asking why those few Palestinians would have attacked Israeli cars whistling through the West Bank, on a road that has been dug out of occupied land, in the midst of the viciously crushed second intifada? No; far easier to completely bar Palestinian passage on this road. And when the Israeli court challenges that, just block the road in a different way and see if those pedantic judges shut up.

But could the court be disinclined to shut up on this matter? The Israeli military claims that the court knew about the partial-opening plans. Meanwhile, some 1,000 Israeli families have petitioned the court to keep the road closed because they say the army's solution is too lax.

And the Association of Civil Rights in Israel, which filed the original petition to open the road, immediately filed another in response to army's unblocked-but-closed policy.

It looks as though highway 443 – so often cited as a symbol of segregationist policy – might not be properly open to Palestinians in the near future. But until it is, a drive on this road feels like a fast, scenic shortcut through another people's daily punishment.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/may/17/israel-palestine-highway-443-segregation
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Post by Aspca4ever on Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:03 pm

Philagain1 wrote: Travel Itinerary
  Date Airport Airline Operated by
Departure
Duration:
5 hours 10 minutes

Departure
20:25 Mon, 2 Oct London
(United Kingdom) - Stansted (STN) Arkia
IZ 912 Arkia

Arrival
03:35 Tue, 3 Oct Tel Aviv (Israel) - Ben-Gurion International (TLV)
Terminal 3 Aircraft type - 753 Class - Economy
Return
Duration:
5 hours 25 minutes

Departure
21:25 Sun, 8 Oct Tel Aviv (Israel) - Ben-Gurion International (TLV) Wizz Air
W6 4452 Wizz Air

Arrival
00:50 Mon, 9 Oct London (United Kingdom) - Luton International (LTN) Class - Economy

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OH - I've been under the weather and now I've missed your Bon Voyage Party!!! 
Shoot, you could have sent me a PM message, dude!!!  Suspect

Adding you both to my daily meditations for 'SAFE KEEPING' while there and coming back to your lovely redecorated home!   ISRAEL ...EGD Shocked
Struggling with my newly acquired high blood pressure issues and now you and dear Doug are flying into a hornets nest of strife and violence!  WHYYYYY!
I'm happy your brother is there to greet & meet, now may the higher spirits keep you all safe!  {{hugs}}
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Post by Aspca4ever on Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:08 pm

Philagain48 wrote:.....This trip has been so bloody tough, my brother went back earlier.

It's the Olly Alexander documentary that pushed me a bit forward!

Why, was he in discomfort and just not happy with the experience?  Hmmm? No
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Post by Philagain48 on Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:42 pm

Aspca4ever wrote:
Philagain1 wrote: Travel Itinerary
  Date Airport Airline Operated by
Departure
Duration:
5 hours 10 minutes

Departure
20:25 Mon, 2 Oct London
(United Kingdom) - Stansted (STN) Arkia
IZ 912 Arkia

Arrival
03:35 Tue, 3 Oct Tel Aviv (Israel) - Ben-Gurion International (TLV)
Terminal 3 Aircraft type - 753 Class - Economy
Return
Duration:
5 hours 25 minutes

Departure
21:25 Sun, 8 Oct Tel Aviv (Israel) - Ben-Gurion International (TLV) Wizz Air
W6 4452 Wizz Air

Arrival
00:50 Mon, 9 Oct London (United Kingdom) - Luton International (LTN) Class - Economy

 Razz
OH - I've been under the weather and now I've missed your Bon Voyage Party!!! 
Shoot, you could have sent me a PM message, dude!!!  Suspect

Adding you both to my daily meditations for 'SAFE KEEPING' while there and coming back to your lovely redecorated home!   ISRAEL ...EGD Shocked
Struggling with my newly acquired high blood pressure issues and now you and dear Doug are flying into a hornets nest of strife and violence!  WHYYYYY!
I'm happy your brother is there to greet & meet, now may the higher spirits keep you all safe!  {{hugs}}

Hi 4ever

Doug didn't want to come as he didn't feel up to it, we have a friend staying and who's also keeping an eye on him.

It isn't a hornets nest of strife and violence but very relaxed and easy going, i never saw so many young gay people walking about and holding hands! It has lots of gay people here who are out and proud!

I'm having an early night tonight because i have to be up at 6.30 for the coach trip to old and new Jerusalem, am really looking forward to the experience Razz
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Post by Philagain48 on Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:44 pm

Aspca4ever wrote:
Philagain48 wrote:.....This trip has been so bloody tough, my brother went back earlier.

It's the Olly Alexander documentary that pushed me a bit forward!

Why, was he in discomfort and just not happy with the experience?  Hmmm? No

No. He's a pop star that has frequent panic attacks like i do.
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