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Post by Jules. on Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:00 pm

Beautiful, beautiful baby, lumbered with a horrid name.


SIXTUS Dominic Boniface?

Ya kidding me??  



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Post by Jules. on Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:01 pm

If the baby's pic isn't showing, can you fix it for me please, sassy. He's adorable! Ta.

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Post by Sassy on Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:11 pm

He happened to be on Radio 2 yesterday while we were driving, and was asked if his son was named Sixtus because he was the sixth. He said no, if was after Pope Sixtus and then went on to say they called him that because his wife wouldn't let him call the baby Chrysoginous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Enigma on Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:54 pm

Philagain1 wrote:Rees-Mogg wife’s ancestral home benefits from £7.6m state rescue
Stern critic of chancellor welcomes Wentworth Woodhouse ‘gimmick






It was billed as an act of generosity — a decision that would “save” a “key piece of northern heritage” for the nation.

But Philip Hammond’s commitment in this week’s Autumn Statement to spend £7.6m on restoring Wentworth Woodhouse, England’s largest private home, also had a little-known beneficiary: the house happens to be ancestral home of the mother-in-law of Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Conservative MP who is among the chancellor’s noisiest critics.

Mr Rees-Mogg said he had no involvement in the campaign to save Wentworth Woodhouse. But after hearing the Autumn Statement in which the funding was announced, he for once dropped his criticism of Mr Hammond and described his overall budget as “excellent”.

“I liked the fact that there was only one gimmick. The fact that the gimmick was Wentworth Woodhouse I liked more,” said the backbencher, one of whose children has Wentworth as a middle name.

The house is renowned as the inspiration for Jane Austen’s Pemberley, possibly erroneously given that there is no evidence that the author visited the estate. Its ill-repair dates from the post-war Labour government’s decision to allow coal mining in the gardens after the nationalisation of the coal industry in 1945. Mr Rees-Mogg described the move as “the most outrageous act of socialist envy”, although the Fitzwilliam family, the owners, had built their vast fortune from mining on their lands.

   I am not sure he’s ever been to Rotherham but we’d be glad to see him here
   John Healey, local Labour MP

The Fitzwilliams moved out in 1946 and the house was put into a family trust. Lady Juliet Tadgell, the only child of the earl and now Mr Rees-Mogg’s mother-in-law, inherited the family fortune but not the home. She is one of the trustees of the Wentworth Woodhouse Preservation Trust, which has raised £7m to acquire the house.

Politicians involved with the campaign to save the stately home say they had no idea of Mr Rees-Mogg’s personal attachment to the property. “I am not sure he’s ever been to Rotherham but we’d be glad to see him here,” said John Healey, the local Labour MP. Robert Jenrick, the Conservative MP and heritage specialist, said Mr Rees-Mogg had “played no part in our lobbying of the chancellor”.

Located in south Yorkshire, Wentworth Woodhouse is not very well known, reflecting its limited opening to the public as well as its unglamorous location near the M1, among the area’s former mines.

The government funding, which will be used to address subsidence caused by the coal mining, is expected to create jobs in the surrounding area, which includes the town of Rotherham. “The factor that really secured the funding was making a major investment in a very deprived community,” said Mr Jenrick. The Fitzwilliam family continue to own much of the surrounding estate and have invested in restoring it.
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Mr Healey said there was some irony in Mr Hammond’s rescue as the government had fought a long and finally successful battle in the courts to resist demands for £100m in compensation for the subsidence caused by the mining. The case failed in June.

Mr Rees-Mogg said he had “deliberately played no role in the campaign”. Nor had he been asked to contribute financially to the project: a recent report of his net worth being up to £150m was “not faintly true”.

The Trust expects to complete the acquisition of Wentworth Woodhouse early next year. It estimates that at least £35m more investment is needed over 15 years to make the house self-reliant, including the conversion of some areas into apartments and business units.

Mr Rees-Mogg said he had visited the house a couple of years ago at the invitation of the then owners, the Newbolds. The public will be able to visit from next spring.

It's grossly unfair that Rees-Mogg's very remote connection is being used as an excuse to brief against this scheme. Wentworth Woodhouse is a Grade 1 listed building and architecturally worthy of restoration in the national interest.

It's now owned by a local charitable trust which saved it from likely demolition and while it might have been owned by the aristocracy in the past it was used mainly as a teacher training college for years after the war. I know the place well as my mum was a lecturer there and we lived in Wentworth village, which is most definitely NOT "unglamorous" as the article says.

Shame the National Trust didn't take it on when it was offered to them.

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Post by Sassy on Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:09 pm

That's interesting, didn't know that about it. I'm in two minds, as you say it is a very important building and the National Trust should have taken it on, but I do hope it going to be put to some use and not just mothballed, when so much public money has been given to it.
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Post by Aspca4ever on Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:14 am

Sassy wrote:That's interesting, didn't know that about it.  I'm in two minds, as you say it is a very important building and the National Trust should have taken it on, but I do hope it going to be put to some use and not just mothballed, when so much public money has been given to it.  
When the hierarchy has more money than common sense and seems bent on out doing their arch enemy or relative that they've got an issue with {one-upmanship} that old adage of 'Boys & Their Toys' just became such a grandiose waste of construction and excess as to make a human SICK!
While I appreciate all of the grandeur that this monolith represents ...just the pure waste of money that was blown on this single family structure at a time when the funds from a PM's pockets could have been better spent on the lower classes --- MIND BLOWING! 
And now what; what is to be done with all of these such structures setting idle - taking up space ...can't save them all - far too costly and just futile for the expense to maintain!  HOLY HELL! No   


The house has more than 300 rooms, although the precise number is unclear, with 250,000 square feet (23,000 m2) of floorspace (124,600 square feet (11,580 m2) of living area). It covers an area of more than 2.5 acres (1.0 ha), and is surrounded by a 180-acre (73 ha) park, and an estate of 15,000 acres (6,100 ha).


The original Jacobean house was rebuilt by Thomas Watson-Wentworth, 1st Marquess of Rockingham (1693–1750), and vastly expanded by his son, the 2nd Marquess, who was twice Prime Minister, and who established Wentworth Woodhouse as a Whig centre of influence. In the 18th century, the house was inherited by the Earls Fitzwilliam who owned it until 1979, when it passed to the heirs of the 8th and 10th Earls, its value having appreciated from the large quantities of coal discovered on the estate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wentworth_Woodhouse
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Post by Enigma on Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:35 am

Sassy wrote:That's interesting, didn't know that about it.  I'm in two minds, as you say it is a very important building and the National Trust should have taken it on, but I do hope it going to be put to some use and not just mothballed, when so much public money has been given to it.  

I don't live in the Rotherham area now, but I understand the plan is to open the most historic parts to the public and covert part of it into offices and apartments to provide a good income base to secure future care. The prospect of jobs being created in the area is pretty important too.

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Post by Enigma on Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:49 am

Aspca4ever wrote:
Sassy wrote:That's interesting, didn't know that about it.  I'm in two minds, as you say it is a very important building and the National Trust should have taken it on, but I do hope it going to be put to some use and not just mothballed, when so much public money has been given to it.  
When the hierarchy has more money than common sense and seems bent on out doing their arch enemy or relative that they've got an issue with {one-upmanship} that old adage of 'Boys & Their Toys' just became such a grandiose waste of construction and excess as to make a human SICK!
While I appreciate all of the grandeur that this monolith represents ...just the pure waste of money that was blown on this single family structure at a time when the funds from a PM's pockets could have been better spent on the lower classes --- MIND BLOWING! 
And now what; what is to be done with all of these such structures setting idle - taking up space ...can't save them all - far too costly and just futile for the expense to maintain!  HOLY HELL! No   


The house has more than 300 rooms, although the precise number is unclear, with 250,000 square feet (23,000 m2) of floorspace (124,600 square feet (11,580 m2) of living area). It covers an area of more than 2.5 acres (1.0 ha), and is surrounded by a 180-acre (73 ha) park, and an estate of 15,000 acres (6,100 ha).


The original Jacobean house was rebuilt by Thomas Watson-Wentworth, 1st Marquess of Rockingham (1693–1750), and vastly expanded by his son, the 2nd Marquess, who was twice Prime Minister, and who established Wentworth Woodhouse as a Whig centre of influence. In the 18th century, the house was inherited by the Earls Fitzwilliam who owned it until 1979, when it passed to the heirs of the 8th and 10th Earls, its value having appreciated from the large quantities of coal discovered on the estate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wentworth_Woodhouse

It'll hardly be a monolith when its brought back into use, provides homes and business space, made available to the public and supports local employment in an area that needs jobs will it?

The whole purpose of it being bought from a single family and put under the management of a local charity was to preserve it because its part of our history and offers a definite and productive use in the future.

Only a philistine who hasn't a damn clue or interest about the importance of this country's heritage would talk like you do.

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Post by Aspca4ever on Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:27 am

Enigma wrote:
Aspca4ever wrote:
Sassy wrote:That's interesting, didn't know that about it.  I'm in two minds, as you say it is a very important building and the National Trust should have taken it on, but I do hope it going to be put to some use and not just mothballed, when so much public money has been given to it.  
When the hierarchy has more money than common sense and seems bent on out doing their arch enemy or relative that they've got an issue with {one-upmanship} that old adage of 'Boys & Their Toys' just became such a grandiose waste of construction and excess as to make a human SICK!
While I appreciate all of the grandeur that this monolith represents ...just the pure waste of money that was blown on this single family structure at a time when the funds from a PM's pockets could have been better spent on the lower classes --- MIND BLOWING! 
And now what; what is to be done with all of these such structures setting idle - taking up space ...can't save them all - far too costly and just futile for the expense to maintain!  HOLY HELL! No   


The house has more than 300 rooms, although the precise number is unclear, with 250,000 square feet (23,000 m2) of floorspace (124,600 square feet (11,580 m2) of living area). It covers an area of more than 2.5 acres (1.0 ha), and is surrounded by a 180-acre (73 ha) park, and an estate of 15,000 acres (6,100 ha).


The original Jacobean house was rebuilt by Thomas Watson-Wentworth, 1st Marquess of Rockingham (1693–1750), and vastly expanded by his son, the 2nd Marquess, who was twice Prime Minister, and who established Wentworth Woodhouse as a Whig centre of influence. In the 18th century, the house was inherited by the Earls Fitzwilliam who owned it until 1979, when it passed to the heirs of the 8th and 10th Earls, its value having appreciated from the large quantities of coal discovered on the estate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wentworth_Woodhouse
It'll hardly be a monolith when its brought back into use, provides homes and business space, made available to the public and supports local employment in  an area that needs jobs will it?

The whole purpose of it being bought from a single family and put under the management of a local charity was to preserve it because its part of our history and offers a definite and productive use in the future.

Only a philistine who hasn't a damn clue or interest about the importance of this country's heritage would talk like you do.
Hmmm, well this pragmatic human did the due diligence and read how this monolithic structure 'HAD' been put too use previously and the EXPENSE proved too great. And as I've taken a posted interest in the lack of maintenance & costly upkeep on those occupied historic residents of the Queen, the question has too be asked; what monolith is worth of keeping - how many of those huge elitist residents can the historical endowment afford - when do the tax payers get to say enough is ENOUGH?
Reality vs Sentimentality is a tough nut too crack, but getting a pissy immature attitude with a fellow member just proves how little effort you put into your POV! No
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Post by Enigma on Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:50 am

Aspca4ever wrote:
Enigma wrote:
Aspca4ever wrote:
When the hierarchy has more money than common sense and seems bent on out doing their arch enemy or relative that they've got an issue with {one-upmanship} that old adage of 'Boys & Their Toys' just became such a grandiose waste of construction and excess as to make a human SICK!
While I appreciate all of the grandeur that this monolith represents ...just the pure waste of money that was blown on this single family structure at a time when the funds from a PM's pockets could have been better spent on the lower classes --- MIND BLOWING! 
And now what; what is to be done with all of these such structures setting idle - taking up space ...can't save them all - far too costly and just futile for the expense to maintain!  HOLY HELL! No   



It'll hardly be a monolith when its brought back into use, provides homes and business space, made available to the public and supports local employment in  an area that needs jobs will it?

The whole purpose of it being bought from a single family and put under the management of a local charity was to preserve it because its part of our history and offers a definite and productive use in the future.

Only a philistine who hasn't a damn clue or interest about the importance of this country's heritage would talk like you do.
Hmmm, well this pragmatic human did the due diligence and read how this monolithic structure 'HAD' been put too use previously and the EXPENSE proved too great.  And as I've taken a posted interest in the lack of maintenance & costly upkeep on those occupied historic residents of the Queen, the question has too be asked; what monolith is worth of keeping - how many of those huge elitist residents can the historical endowment afford - when do the tax payers get to say enough is ENOUGH?  
Reality vs Sentimentality is a tough nut too crack, but getting a pissy immature attitude with a fellow member just proves how little effort you put into your POV! No

I'm discussing the planned future use and preservation of Wentworth Woodhouse, a historically significant place I know very well indeed, and not its past you blithering fool, so take your own "prissy immature attitude", your knowledge limited to what you read in Wiki and stuff it.
Your country can claim an architectural heritage of a pathetic few hundred years, mine can measure it by the millennium and the momentum of this scheme is coming from mainly ordinary folk in what is traditionally a working class and strong Labour area so don't start lecturing me about elitism.

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Post by Sassy on Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:06 am

Enigma wrote:
Aspca4ever wrote:
Enigma wrote:
Aspca4ever wrote:
When the hierarchy has more money than common sense and seems bent on out doing their arch enemy or relative that they've got an issue with {one-upmanship} that old adage of 'Boys & Their Toys' just became such a grandiose waste of construction and excess as to make a human SICK!
While I appreciate all of the grandeur that this monolith represents ...just the pure waste of money that was blown on this single family structure at a time when the funds from a PM's pockets could have been better spent on the lower classes --- MIND BLOWING! 
And now what; what is to be done with all of these such structures setting idle - taking up space ...can't save them all - far too costly and just futile for the expense to maintain!  HOLY HELL! No   



It'll hardly be a monolith when its brought back into use, provides homes and business space, made available to the public and supports local employment in  an area that needs jobs will it?

The whole purpose of it being bought from a single family and put under the management of a local charity was to preserve it because its part of our history and offers a definite and productive use in the future.

Only a philistine who hasn't a damn clue or interest about the importance of this country's heritage would talk like you do.
Hmmm, well this pragmatic human did the due diligence and read how this monolithic structure 'HAD' been put too use previously and the EXPENSE proved too great.  And as I've taken a posted interest in the lack of maintenance & costly upkeep on those occupied historic residents of the Queen, the question has too be asked; what monolith is worth of keeping - how many of those huge elitist residents can the historical endowment afford - when do the tax payers get to say enough is ENOUGH?  
Reality vs Sentimentality is a tough nut too crack, but getting a pissy immature attitude with a fellow member just proves how little effort you put into your POV! No

I'm discussing the planned future use and preservation of Wentworth Woodhouse, a historically significant place I know very well indeed, and not its past you blithering fool, so take your own "prissy immature attitude", your knowledge limited to what you read in Wiki and stuff it.
Your country can claim an architectural heritage of a pathetic few hundred years, mine can measure it by the millennium and the momentum of this scheme is coming from mainly ordinary folk in what is traditionally a working class and strong Labour area so don't start lecturing me about elitism.  

Well Enigma, have to say, I love beautiful houses and historic homes but with the choices that have to be made these days with regard to public money, if I had been given a choice about how that money was spent, it would have been helping people rather than places. So, what is the 'planned future use'? And I'm not being funny, I'd really like to know.
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Post by Aspca4ever on Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:40 pm

Enigma wrote:
Aspca4ever wrote:
Enigma wrote:
It'll hardly be a monolith when its brought back into use, provides homes and business space, made available to the public and supports local employment in  an area that needs jobs will it?

The whole purpose of it being bought from a single family and put under the management of a local charity was to preserve it because its part of our history and offers a definite and productive use in the future.

Only a philistine who hasn't a damn clue or interest about the importance of this country's heritage would talk like you do.
Hmmm, well this pragmatic human did the due diligence and read how this monolithic structure 'HAD' been put too use previously and the EXPENSE proved too great.  And as I've taken a posted interest in the lack of maintenance & costly upkeep on those occupied historic residents of the Queen, the question has too be asked; what monolith is worth of keeping - how many of those huge elitist residents can the historical endowment afford - when do the tax payers get to say enough is ENOUGH?  
Reality vs Sentimentality is a tough nut too crack, but getting a pissy immature attitude with a fellow member just proves how little effort you put into your POV
! No

I'm discussing the planned future use and preservation of Wentworth Woodhouse, a historically significant place I know very well indeed, and not its past you blithering fool, so take your own "prissy immature attitude", your knowledge limited to what you read in Wiki and stuff it.
Your country can claim an architectural heritage of a pathetic few hundred years, mine can measure it by the millennium and the momentum of this scheme is coming from mainly ordinary folk in what is traditionally a working class and strong Labour area so don't start lecturing me about elitism.  
"I'm discussing the planned future use" ...well your stance must be a worrisome weak one for you to come from a position of such fear & anger Rolling Eyes  

BTW - the only link I provided was for the factual size of the Wentworth monolith and the aerial image; everything else I've ascertained was from the plethora of data out there on the WWEB {easy accessed if you should care enough to learn how to STW}, really fascinating information Wink  
The location for my reading material, where I've acquired the pertinent info of the ongoing dilemma for sustaining the Royal estates {ie lovely quarters = Buckingham Palace/Queen's Quarters} ...in dire need of some serious structure & upkeep!  Just one of a couple hundred lovely sources if you'd like to read it >

Queen Elizabeth may move out of Buckingham Palace during repairs
Queen may move out of Buckingham Palace during repairs
BY Meg Wagner   NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 3:54 PM
*******edited for space  
The repairs are estimated to cost $240 million, and teams must take special care to preserve the protected, historic landmark during the renovations. 
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/queen-move-buckingham-palace-repairs-article-1.2269724
And as this is a community forum Enigma; established to generate ADULT DISCUSSION about any given genre that interests us! 
You do NOT get to dictate whom participates or whom by right of land of birth is allowed to have an opinion ...that just proves your position both weak and your ability to communicate PISS POOR! Suspect

So my #1 question remains; given the numerous hysteria monolithic mansions/castles littered all across England ...what is the quota for affordable tax burden to the public?  Seeing the last offering for Wentworth Woodhouse structure was $8 million and that didn't include the vast number of estate acres ...what criteria should be critical for keeping while all of the other 'wanta-be's' listed fall off the historical preservation and left to die like so many ruins strung across all of Europe? 
England is not the only country that has grand old structures that have gone into ruin ...pick any adjoining nation and you'll find the same issue littering their countryside's!
So how high would a taxable fund {just for these historic projects} - how high would that tax be to fix these and maintain the existing places; could every British resident afford that type of tax? Suspect 
But I'm just a 'Blithering Fool'Razz  
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Post by Sassy on Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:58 pm

Sassy wrote:
Enigma wrote:
Aspca4ever wrote:
Enigma wrote:
Aspca4ever wrote:
When the hierarchy has more money than common sense and seems bent on out doing their arch enemy or relative that they've got an issue with {one-upmanship} that old adage of 'Boys & Their Toys' just became such a grandiose waste of construction and excess as to make a human SICK!
While I appreciate all of the grandeur that this monolith represents ...just the pure waste of money that was blown on this single family structure at a time when the funds from a PM's pockets could have been better spent on the lower classes --- MIND BLOWING! 
And now what; what is to be done with all of these such structures setting idle - taking up space ...can't save them all - far too costly and just futile for the expense to maintain!  HOLY HELL! No   



It'll hardly be a monolith when its brought back into use, provides homes and business space, made available to the public and supports local employment in  an area that needs jobs will it?

The whole purpose of it being bought from a single family and put under the management of a local charity was to preserve it because its part of our history and offers a definite and productive use in the future.

Only a philistine who hasn't a damn clue or interest about the importance of this country's heritage would talk like you do.
Hmmm, well this pragmatic human did the due diligence and read how this monolithic structure 'HAD' been put too use previously and the EXPENSE proved too great.  And as I've taken a posted interest in the lack of maintenance & costly upkeep on those occupied historic residents of the Queen, the question has too be asked; what monolith is worth of keeping - how many of those huge elitist residents can the historical endowment afford - when do the tax payers get to say enough is ENOUGH?  
Reality vs Sentimentality is a tough nut too crack, but getting a pissy immature attitude with a fellow member just proves how little effort you put into your POV! No

I'm discussing the planned future use and preservation of Wentworth Woodhouse, a historically significant place I know very well indeed, and not its past you blithering fool, so take your own "prissy immature attitude", your knowledge limited to what you read in Wiki and stuff it.
Your country can claim an architectural heritage of a pathetic few hundred years, mine can measure it by the millennium and the momentum of this scheme is coming from mainly ordinary folk in what is traditionally a working class and strong Labour area so don't start lecturing me about elitism.  

Well Enigma, have to say, I love beautiful houses and historic homes but with the choices that have to be made these days with regard to public money, if I had been given a choice about how that money was spent, it would have been helping people rather than places.   So, what is the 'planned future use'?   And I'm not being funny, I'd really like to know.

Just to clarify the above Enigma, I wasn't ignoring your:

It'll hardly be a monolith when its brought back into use, provides homes and business space, made available to the public and supports local employment in an area that needs jobs will it?

The whole purpose of it being bought from a single family and put under the management of a local charity was to preserve it because its part of our history and offers a definite and productive use in the future.

My point was more, if that is done and it has a future, will the revenue from it end up in private pockets, or will that £8million be paid back to the taxpayer if it generates an income?
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Post by Enigma on Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:05 pm

My point was more, if that is done and it has a future, will the revenue from it end up in private pockets, or will that £8million be paid back to the taxpayer if it generates an income?[/quote]
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By Wentworth Woodhouse | Published: June 28, 2017

England’s grandest country house saved for nation

Wentworth Woodhouse acquired by preservation trust

£3.5m National Heritage Memorial Fund provides final piece of funding

> Wentworth Woodhouse – England’s largest privately owned home, has been safeguarded for the future following years of uncertainty and decline.

Located near Rotherham in South Yorkshire, Wentworth Woodhouse is exceptional in both architecture and scale. Built by the Marquesses of Rockingham between 1725 and 1750, the East front is believed to be the longest of any English country house, at more than 180m. The main house is believed to have more than 200 rooms, with a run of State rooms behind the East front centring on the spectacular , double-height Marble Salon, considered to be one of the finest early 18th century interiors in England.

A grant of £3.5million from the National Heritage Memorial Fund (NHMF) has provided the Wentworth Woodhouse preservation Trust (WWPT) with the final piece of the financial Jigsaw needed to purchase the property. WWPT has now bought the house, its outstanding collection of classical statuary and the surrounding grounds of 83 acres for a total of £7m.

The sale will open a new chapter in the history of the house. As well as welcoming visitors to the richly decorated rooms in the house, WWPT’s longer term plan is to restore the gardens with the help of volunteers, attract local businesses to work in offices to be created in the Stables and work with local people to explore and describe its exceptionally rich history, telling some of the many colourful stories associated with the house.

Heritage Minister Tracey Crouch said “The UK’s heritage is world renowned for its unique variety and Wentworth Woodhouse is a fantastic example of our historic architecture that deserves to be protected for the future. The Government funding will not only help preserve the building for visitors to enjoy, but it will also be a vital link in the community, creating a business hub and jobs that will benefit the local area”

The Chair of Wentworth Preservation Trust (WWPT), local businesswoman Julie Kenny said “This is the culmination of five years very hard work and has been made possible by the support of many different charities, government bodies and individuals, including the Chancellor of the Exchequer. It is great news for the people of Rotherham and for everyone who cares about historic buildings.”

Kenny added “We are grateful to the Newbold family for their part in ensuring the survival of the house and to the funding bodies who have made the transfer possible. These include the National Heritage Memorial Fund, The Monument Trust, Sir Siegmund Warburg’s Voluntary Settlement, The J Paul Getty Jr Charitable Trust, Art Fund, together with donations from the Fitzwilliam Amenity Trust and lady Juliet Tadgell. The Trust has been given significant support by Historic England, The Architectural Heritage Fund, Heritage Lottery Fund and the Department of Culture, Media and Sport. The Trust will also receive invaluable support and guidance from the National Trust for a period of three years. All these contributors share our determination to give Wentworth Woodhouse a secure future, so it can play a part in the economic and cultural regeneration of Rotherham and the wider South Yorkshire region.

“We would like to send our appreciation to John Healey MP who helped open doors for discussions with Ministers and civil servents. We also appreciate the important cross party support from John Healey and Robert Jenrick MP who helped us put the Trust’s case personally to the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Above all we are grateful to the Chancellor who shares our enthusiasm for the house and who announced a special allocation of £7.6m for repairs in his Autumn Statement in 2016. This will enable work to start this year.

Chief Executive of NHMP Ros Kerslake said “Wentworth Woodhouse is an incredibly important piece of our national heritage, which is why trustees of the National Heritage Memorial Fund agreed £3.5m funding that has now helped secure its future for the nation. As well as ensuring the house and grounds are open to the public, the Trust’s ambitious plans will create jobs, apprenticeships, training and volunteering opportunities for many years to come.



I would have thought that the above very recent Trust mission statement would alone have debunked the silly political point scoring and mindless assumptions aimed at ridiculously implying that a Tory MP family is somehow going to get great wodges of taxpayers cash from a grateful government. The place is now virtually owned by a local charitable trust who have worked their arses off for five years and more to raise money to preserve it for the nation repeat preserve it for the nation because in the opinion of local experts and interested parties including MPs, and not some American woman who has no personal interest in the place and knows nowt more about it than she's been able to Google up, it is vital that we do so.

We all know that difficult choices have to be made where government funds are concerned but the protection and preservation of our heritage and architecture have a legitimate call on them.

WTF else do we do? Knock down St Paul's and replace it with a MacDonalds? Demolish Ely Cathedral and build a bingo hall? Flatten Westminster Abbey and build tower blocks on the site?

I've seen no suggestion whatsoever that somehow the proceeds of this scheme are going to wind up in rich private pockets. Just the opposite. In fact it will be open to the public for the first time and parts of the structure are planned as being suitable for residential and business development which will be a great bonus as it will defray the inevitable costs of future maintenance and repair.

Aspca sounds just like an American woman in a group that when I was an English Heritage volunteer  showing tourists  round the ruins of Lindisfarne Priory very loudly and derisively referred to it as "just a heap of old stones."

That's why I  told Aspca that only a Philistine would post what she did (she even  seems to think the Queen lived in Wentworth, FGS!) and I meant it. If she found it offensive I'll say sorry, but frankly I'm not going to sit back and meekly accept a lot of uninformed crap about a place that I know and love from someone who knows bugger all about it.

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Post by Aspca4ever on Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:50 pm

Enigma posted > We all know that difficult choices have to be made where government funds are concerned but the protection and preservation of our heritage and architecture have a legitimate call on them.

WTF else do we do? Knock down St Paul's and replace it with a MacDonalds? Demolish Ely Cathedral and build a bingo hall? Flatten Westminster Abbey and build tower blocks on the site?  

I've seen no suggestion whatsoever that somehow the proceeds of this scheme are going to wind up in rich private pockets. Just the opposite. In fact it will be open to the public for the first time and parts of the structure are planned as being suitable for residential and business development which will be a great bonus as it will defray the inevitable costs of future maintenance and repair.

Aspca sounds just like an American woman in a group that when I was an English Heritage volunteer showing tourists round the ruins of Lindisfarne Priory very loudly and derisively referred to it as "just a heap of old stones."

That's why I told Aspca that only a Philistine would post what she did (she even seems to think the Queen lived in Wentworth, FGS!) and I meant it. If she found it offensive I'll say sorry, but frankly I'm not going to sit back and meekly accept a lot of uninformed crap about a place that I know and love from someone who knows bugger all about it.
Shocked  Sad & pathetic your proven lack of   Read skills, but you do excel at making grandiose generalizations for any 'tourist' that are from my country just from a lame few examples overheard during your ...hmmm volunteer work!  lol!
a) my father was a master carpenter
b) my interest in old architecture was part of my interior design studies
c) I have great appreciation for early building/styles/techniques predating mechanical engineering
d) I don't often go about ASSuming that all Brits are as simple minded & annoying in their postings but yet you've proven me wrong in that regard
e) If you can't read my written words and then you just wanted to fabricate some F'ed up crap to satisfy/justify your pissy behavior ...prove to me where I stated/posted that the Queen resided in Wentworth Woodhouse scratch  because you won't find it

I never typed it - and you are a sad/hysterical driven human with little to zero rational thoughts for how much a tax burden such enormous 'SAVE THE HISTORY OF OUR ELITIST' so that the poor can enjoy those buildings and starve while strolling though their lovely grandiose dwellings ...Oh, never mind - they'd not be able to afford the cost of the ticket!   Evil or Very Mad  
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Post by Sassy on Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:32 pm

Enigma wrote:My point was more, if that is done and it has a future, will the revenue from it end up in private pockets, or will that £8million be paid back to the taxpayer if it generates an income?
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By Wentworth Woodhouse | Published: June 28, 2017

England’s grandest country house saved for nation

Wentworth Woodhouse acquired by preservation trust

£3.5m National Heritage Memorial Fund provides final piece of funding

> Wentworth Woodhouse – England’s largest privately owned home, has been safeguarded for the future following years of uncertainty and decline.

Located near Rotherham in South Yorkshire, Wentworth Woodhouse is exceptional in both architecture and scale. Built by the Marquesses of Rockingham between 1725 and 1750, the East front is believed to be the longest of any English country house, at more than 180m. The main house is believed to have more than 200 rooms, with a run of State rooms behind the East front centring on the spectacular , double-height Marble Salon, considered to be one of the finest early 18th century interiors in England.

A grant of £3.5million from the National Heritage Memorial Fund (NHMF) has provided the Wentworth Woodhouse preservation Trust (WWPT) with the final piece of the financial Jigsaw needed to purchase the property. WWPT has now bought the house, its outstanding collection of classical statuary and the surrounding grounds of 83 acres for a total of £7m.

The sale will open a new chapter in the history of the house. As well as welcoming visitors to the richly decorated rooms in the house, WWPT’s longer term plan is to restore the gardens with the help of volunteers, attract local businesses to work in offices to be created in the Stables and work with local people to explore and describe its exceptionally rich history, telling some of the many colourful stories associated with the house.

Heritage Minister Tracey Crouch said “The UK’s heritage is world renowned for its unique variety and Wentworth Woodhouse is a fantastic example of our historic architecture that deserves to be protected for the future. The Government funding will not only help preserve the building for visitors to enjoy, but it will also be a vital link in the community, creating a business hub and jobs that will benefit the local area”

The Chair of Wentworth Preservation Trust (WWPT), local businesswoman Julie Kenny said “This is the culmination of five years very hard work and has been made possible by the support of many different charities, government bodies and individuals, including the Chancellor of the Exchequer. It is great news for the people of Rotherham and for everyone who cares about historic buildings.”

Kenny added “We are grateful to the Newbold family for their part in ensuring the survival of the house and to the funding bodies who have made the transfer possible. These include the National Heritage Memorial Fund, The Monument Trust, Sir Siegmund Warburg’s Voluntary Settlement, The J Paul Getty Jr Charitable Trust, Art Fund, together with donations from the Fitzwilliam Amenity Trust and lady Juliet Tadgell. The Trust has been given significant support by Historic England, The Architectural Heritage Fund, Heritage Lottery Fund and the Department of Culture, Media and Sport. The Trust will also receive invaluable support and guidance from the National Trust for a period of three years. All these contributors share our determination to give Wentworth Woodhouse a secure future, so it can play a part in the economic and cultural regeneration of Rotherham and the wider South Yorkshire region.

“We would like to send our appreciation to John Healey MP who helped open doors for discussions with Ministers and civil servents. We also appreciate the important cross party support from John Healey and Robert Jenrick MP who helped us put the Trust’s case personally to the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Above all we are grateful to the Chancellor who shares our enthusiasm for the house and who announced a special allocation of £7.6m for repairs in his Autumn Statement in 2016. This will enable work to start this year.

Chief Executive of NHMP Ros Kerslake said “Wentworth Woodhouse is an incredibly important piece of our national heritage, which is why trustees of the National Heritage Memorial Fund agreed £3.5m funding that has now helped secure its future for the nation. As well as ensuring the house and grounds are open to the public, the Trust’s ambitious plans will create jobs, apprenticeships, training and volunteering opportunities for many years to come.



I would have thought that the above very recent Trust mission statement would alone have debunked the silly political point scoring and mindless assumptions aimed at ridiculously implying that a Tory MP family is somehow going to get great wodges of taxpayers cash from a grateful government. The place is now virtually owned by a local charitable trust who have worked their arses off for five years and more to raise money to preserve it for the nation repeat preserve it for the nation because in the opinion of local experts and interested parties including MPs, and not some American woman who has no personal interest in the place and knows nowt more about it than she's been able to Google up, it is vital that we do so.

We all know that difficult choices have to be made where government funds are concerned but the protection and preservation of our heritage and architecture have a legitimate call on them.

WTF else do we do? Knock down St Paul's and replace it with a MacDonalds? Demolish Ely Cathedral and build a bingo hall? Flatten Westminster Abbey and build tower blocks on the site?

I've seen no suggestion whatsoever that somehow the proceeds of this scheme are going to wind up in rich private pockets. Just the opposite. In fact it will be open to the public for the first time and parts of the structure are planned as being suitable for residential and business development which will be a great bonus as it will defray the inevitable costs of future maintenance and repair.

Aspca sounds just like an American woman in a group that when I was an English Heritage volunteer  showing tourists  round the ruins of Lindisfarne Priory very loudly and derisively referred to it as "just a heap of old stones."

That's why I  told Aspca that only a Philistine would post what she did (she even  seems to think the Queen lived in Wentworth, FGS!) and I meant it. If she found it offensive I'll say sorry, but frankly I'm not going to sit back and meekly accept a lot of uninformed crap about a place that I know and love from someone who knows bugger all about it.[/quote]



I had read all that, but I still don't think you got my point. Great that it is going to be used and not just viewed, but if they are going to have apartments, they'll be for sale, probably for a lot of money, with ground rent for upkeep. If businesses use it, they'll pay rent or charges, the people coming to view will pay. So, let's take for starters the apartments? Where is that money going to go? Straight back into the coffers of the charity? And at some point they will be making a profit. When they make that profit, then surely some of the public purse can be repaid? After all, £8million would pay a lot of nurses etc. I have absolutely no objection to them making a really good going concern out of it. My point is, once it is a going concern, the taxpayer should be reimbursed and has that been taken into account?


PS, I certainly can't see anywhere that 4Ever said the Queen lived there.
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Post by Enigma on Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:36 am

Sassy wrote:
Enigma wrote:My point was more, if that is done and it has a future, will the revenue from it end up in private pockets, or will that £8million be paid back to the taxpayer if it generates an income?
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By Wentworth Woodhouse | Published: June 28, 2017

England’s grandest country house saved for nation

Wentworth Woodhouse acquired by preservation trust

£3.5m National Heritage Memorial Fund provides final piece of funding

> Wentworth Woodhouse – England’s largest privately owned home, has been safeguarded for the future following years of uncertainty and decline.

Located near Rotherham in South Yorkshire, Wentworth Woodhouse is exceptional in both architecture and scale. Built by the Marquesses of Rockingham between 1725 and 1750, the East front is believed to be the longest of any English country house, at more than 180m. The main house is believed to have more than 200 rooms, with a run of State rooms behind the East front centring on the spectacular , double-height Marble Salon, considered to be one of the finest early 18th century interiors in England.

A grant of £3.5million from the National Heritage Memorial Fund (NHMF) has provided the Wentworth Woodhouse preservation Trust (WWPT) with the final piece of the financial Jigsaw needed to purchase the property. WWPT has now bought the house, its outstanding collection of classical statuary and the surrounding grounds of 83 acres for a total of £7m.

The sale will open a new chapter in the history of the house. As well as welcoming visitors to the richly decorated rooms in the house, WWPT’s longer term plan is to restore the gardens with the help of volunteers, attract local businesses to work in offices to be created in the Stables and work with local people to explore and describe its exceptionally rich history, telling some of the many colourful stories associated with the house.

Heritage Minister Tracey Crouch said “The UK’s heritage is world renowned for its unique variety and Wentworth Woodhouse is a fantastic example of our historic architecture that deserves to be protected for the future. The Government funding will not only help preserve the building for visitors to enjoy, but it will also be a vital link in the community, creating a business hub and jobs that will benefit the local area”

The Chair of Wentworth Preservation Trust (WWPT), local businesswoman Julie Kenny said “This is the culmination of five years very hard work and has been made possible by the support of many different charities, government bodies and individuals, including the Chancellor of the Exchequer. It is great news for the people of Rotherham and for everyone who cares about historic buildings.”

Kenny added “We are grateful to the Newbold family for their part in ensuring the survival of the house and to the funding bodies who have made the transfer possible. These include the National Heritage Memorial Fund, The Monument Trust, Sir Siegmund Warburg’s Voluntary Settlement, The J Paul Getty Jr Charitable Trust, Art Fund, together with donations from the Fitzwilliam Amenity Trust and lady Juliet Tadgell. The Trust has been given significant support by Historic England, The Architectural Heritage Fund, Heritage Lottery Fund and the Department of Culture, Media and Sport. The Trust will also receive invaluable support and guidance from the National Trust for a period of three years. All these contributors share our determination to give Wentworth Woodhouse a secure future, so it can play a part in the economic and cultural regeneration of Rotherham and the wider South Yorkshire region.

“We would like to send our appreciation to John Healey MP who helped open doors for discussions with Ministers and civil servents. We also appreciate the important cross party support from John Healey and Robert Jenrick MP who helped us put the Trust’s case personally to the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Above all we are grateful to the Chancellor who shares our enthusiasm for the house and who announced a special allocation of £7.6m for repairs in his Autumn Statement in 2016. This will enable work to start this year.

Chief Executive of NHMP Ros Kerslake said “Wentworth Woodhouse is an incredibly important piece of our national heritage, which is why trustees of the National Heritage Memorial Fund agreed £3.5m funding that has now helped secure its future for the nation. As well as ensuring the house and grounds are open to the public, the Trust’s ambitious plans will create jobs, apprenticeships, training and volunteering opportunities for many years to come.



I would have thought that the above very recent Trust mission statement would alone have debunked the silly political point scoring and mindless assumptions aimed at ridiculously implying that a Tory MP family is somehow going to get great wodges of taxpayers cash from a grateful government. The place is now virtually owned by a local charitable trust who have worked their arses off for five years and more to raise money to preserve it for the nation repeat preserve it for the nation because in the opinion of local experts and interested parties including MPs, and not some American woman who has no personal interest in the place and knows nowt more about it than she's been able to Google up, it is vital that we do so.

We all know that difficult choices have to be made where government funds are concerned but the protection and preservation of our heritage and architecture have a legitimate call on them.

WTF else do we do? Knock down St Paul's and replace it with a MacDonalds? Demolish Ely Cathedral and build a bingo hall? Flatten Westminster Abbey and build tower blocks on the site?

I've seen no suggestion whatsoever that somehow the proceeds of this scheme are going to wind up in rich private pockets. Just the opposite. In fact it will be open to the public for the first time and parts of the structure are planned as being suitable for residential and business development which will be a great bonus as it will defray the inevitable costs of future maintenance and repair.

Aspca sounds just like an American woman in a group that when I was an English Heritage volunteer  showing tourists  round the ruins of Lindisfarne Priory very loudly and derisively referred to it as "just a heap of old stones."

That's why I  told Aspca that only a Philistine would post what she did (she even  seems to think the Queen lived in Wentworth, FGS!) and I meant it. If she found it offensive I'll say sorry, but frankly I'm not going to sit back and meekly accept a lot of uninformed crap about a place that I know and love from someone who knows bugger all about it.



I had read all that, but I still don't think you got my point. Great that it is going to be used and not just viewed, but if they are going to have apartments, they'll be for sale, probably for a lot of money, with ground rent for upkeep. If businesses use it, they'll pay rent or charges, the people coming to view will pay. So, let's take for starters the apartments? Where is that money going to go? Straight back into the coffers of the charity? And at some point they will be making a profit. When they make that profit, then surely some of the public purse can be repaid? After all, £8million would pay a lot of nurses etc. I have absolutely no objection to them making a really good going concern out of it. My point is, once it is a going concern, the taxpayer should be reimbursed and has that been taken into account?


PS, I certainly can't see anywhere that 4Ever said the Queen lived there.[/quote]

You pose a lot of questions and you make a lot of assumptions and my answer is that I don't know. Why should I, I'm not a member of the governing trust and the announcement that they are now in a position to proceed with their goals was made literally days ago. Th obvious assumption would be that any income derived will go "straight back into the coffers of the charity" as you put it and why not? It's a locally-based project and clearly enjoys wide and enthusiastic local support and the whole aim was to acquire the building and to assure its future as one of this country's great historic houses, and that's going to be massively expensive
There's a fine line between it becoming a "going concern" and going bust because the upkeep will be astronomic, just look at the maintenance and repair costs of similar NT and EH properties. If parts of the building are developed as offices and apartments I would be surprised if they are sold to anyone rich or not, as Wentworth Woodhouse is a Grade 1 listed building and anyone who has tried so much as to change the window frames even in a lower Grade 2 building will know the restrictions are draconian, and rightly. I can't see Rotherham council of all councils allowing that to happen because of the legal building and development controls they already possess.
I'm not interested in the slightest about the petty political point scoring that brought this matter into the public eye and I'm even less interested in partisan claptrap about "elitism", the fact that previous owners were wicked Tory landowners who abused the miners who worked for them (they weren't, they were Whigs) or horror of horrors the place might actually make a profit and that some bloated plutocrat might get his hands on one of the apartments or run a stockbrokerage from one of the offices.
I'm interested only in seeing that a truly great historic house that I have known since I was a kid does not become a useless ruin or even worse torn down so that yet another theme park can be built on the site. Government departments, not sure whether it would be culture or environment or both, are given taxpayers' money to do their job and that job includes protecting our history, heritage and architecture.
Any contribution that the Trust have got from the government to support their project, on which they've already worked long and hard, is money well deserved and damn well spent in my book. And whoever might have lived there in the past is of genuine historic interest and not some ridiculous stick to beat a present day politician with.

And no, Ascpa didn't say the Queen lived at Wentworth. I misread the post.

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Post by Scrat. on Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:54 am

Strange that so many Zionists support Lord Snooty, here he is with pronazis at the Traditional Britain Group.



A keen admirer of pre-war German culture, particularly its opera and films, he has frequently expressed the view that the UK should not have declared war on Germany in 1939, because the Nazis had no quarrel with this country. In 1990, he criticised Thatcher for her ambiguous attitude to the reunification of Germany. He called for Germany to be restored to its 1938 borders, which would have involved absorbing a large part of what is now Poland. “Poland asked for it from 1919 onwards,” he claimed in one post on Facebook.

He has called the Nuremburg trials of leading Nazis a “farce… without an ounce of legitimacy” and has claimed that those who ordered the bombing Potsdam should be tried as war criminals. But he defended the Luftwaffe’s bombardment of Coventry, saying: “Britain had all its small arms and tanks manufactured at Coventry. If you did not want to be bombed you should not have declared war on a country who had no quarrel with you.”

No holding back: The ‘wit and wisdom’ of Gregory Lauder-Frost

This woman [Doreen Lawrence] has done the British nation no favours whatsoever. If these people don’t  like us and want to keep attacking  us they should go back to their natural homelands.

The Poles asked for it from 1919 onwards. It was Britain and France who made it a world war, not Hitler.

Basically if you did not want to be bombed you should not have declared war on a country [Germany] who had no quarrel with you.

The barbarians who bombed [Potsdam] right at the very end  of the war, serving no purpose whatsoever, should have been tried as war criminals.

The Nuremberg trials were a farce. They were show trials without an ounce of legitimacy.

The Africans never had it so good as when Britain governed their colonies there… We owe Africa nothing whatsoever. It owes us eternal gratitude for lifting it out of barbarism."

Only in the far right hive mind could Zionists support Nazis.

Proof if proof were ever needed that Zionism and Nazism go hand in hand!
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Toasting the end of human rights!

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Post by Aspca4ever on Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:30 am

Enigma stated > I'm not interested in the slightest about the petty political point scoring that brought this matter into the public eye and I'm even less interested in partisan claptrap about "elitism", the fact that previous owners were wicked Tory landowners who abused the miners who worked for them (they weren't, they were Whigs) or horror of horrors the place might actually make a profit and that some bloated plutocrat might get his hands on one of the apartments or run a stockbrokerage from one of the offices.
I'm interested only in seeing that a truly great historic house that I have known since I was a kid does not become a useless ruin or even worse torn down so that yet another theme park can be built on the site. Government departments, not sure whether it would be culture or environment or both, are given taxpayers' money to do their job and that job includes protecting our history, heritage and architecture.
Any contribution that the Trust have got from the government to support their project, on which they've already worked long and hard, is money well deserved and damn well spent in my book. And whoever might have lived there in the past is of genuine historic interest and not some ridiculous stick to beat a present day politician with.

And no, Ascpa Aspca didn't say the Queen lived at Wentworth. I misread the post.
Rather an interesting POV Suspect for the method that your government funds such programs ...especially this one that obviously has such emotional ties to your heart.  Whose money do you think that originally came from ??? the 'magic fund fairy'?  Peoples hard earned tax withholding funds went into that special allotment ...they collectively have a right & a concern for throwing more money into a project that just isn't WORTH THE FUNDING!  

I know of no nation that hasn't had to face practicality over emotional desire to keep everything old/historic & ancient within the confines of a 'Historic Register' ...but the reality of funding is where the Highway Meets the Dirt.  {aka snowball chance in hell for funding/listing every thing - for everyone on a historic register} ...it just isn't feasible or responsible. 
Have you looked at the number of ancient places/castles/historic mansions that your register is responsible for and all of those empty or for sale that are trying to obtain some funding ...don't they deserve the same notoriety too?


And just how many MEGA-ELITIST ESTATES do the poor & impoverished need to have on the register to keep being reminded; none of your ancestry lived there, but chances are you've had some ancestor that busted their hump 15 hrs or more a day working as 'staff' within those pristine walls Twisted Evil 
Now go buy your admission ticket and OOOH & AWWWW over the grandeur and waste of all those millions that the elitist blew on that mega-mansion!
How many huge estates is enough, after all ...the grandeur is basically the same common core theme ...seen one - seen them all; only bigger & more grand because that's what drove the hierarchy to waste so much money in those days. 

Notice you typed your error ...glad to see you are able to read after all, will make your posts and future exchanges more informative too. Wink    
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Aspca4ever wrote:
Enigma stated > I'm not interested in the slightest about the petty political point scoring that brought this matter into the public eye and I'm even less interested in partisan claptrap about "elitism", the fact that previous owners were wicked Tory landowners who abused the miners who worked for them (they weren't, they were Whigs) or horror of horrors the place might actually make a profit and that some bloated plutocrat might get his hands on one of the apartments or run a stockbrokerage from one of the offices.
I'm interested only in seeing that a truly great historic house that I have known since I was a kid does not become a useless ruin or even worse torn down so that yet another theme park can be built on the site. Government departments, not sure whether it would be culture or environment or both, are given taxpayers' money to do their job and that job includes protecting our history, heritage and architecture.
Any contribution that the Trust have got from the government to support their project, on which they've already worked long and hard, is money well deserved and damn well spent in my book. And whoever might have lived there in the past is of genuine historic interest and not some ridiculous stick to beat a present day politician with.

And no, Ascpa Aspca didn't say the Queen lived at Wentworth. I misread the post.
Rather an interesting POV Suspect for the method that your government funds such programs ...especially this one that obviously has such emotional ties to your heart.  Whose money do you think that originally came from ??? the 'magic fund fairy'?  Peoples hard earned tax withholding funds went into that special allotment ...they collectively have a right & a concern for throwing more money into a project that just isn't WORTH THE FUNDING!  

I know of no nation that hasn't had to face practicality over emotional desire to keep everything old/historic & ancient within the confines of a 'Historic Register' ...but the reality of funding is where the Highway Meets the Dirt.  {aka snowball chance in hell for funding/listing every thing - for everyone on a historic register} ...it just isn't feasible or responsible. 
Have you looked at the number of ancient places/castles/historic mansions that your register is responsible for and all of those empty or for sale that are trying to obtain some funding ...don't they deserve the same notoriety too?


And just how many MEGA-ELITIST ESTATES do the poor & impoverished need to have on the register to keep being reminded; none of your ancestry lived there, but chances are you've had some ancestor that busted their hump 15 hrs or more a day working as 'staff' within those pristine walls Twisted Evil 
Now go buy your admission ticket and OOOH & AWWWW over the grandeur and waste of all those millions that the elitist blew on that mega-mansion!
How many huge estates is enough, after all ...the grandeur is basically the same common core theme ...seen one - seen them all; only bigger & more grand because that's what drove the hierarchy to waste so much money in those days. 

Notice you typed your error ...glad to see you are able to read after all, will make your posts and future exchanges more informative too. Wink    

I can read perfectly well, I am also able to write without using endless screaming capital letters that are the typographical equivalent of shouting and hand waving and silly childish emoticons that constitute an assault on the vision.I also post only on subjects in which I at least have a modicum of interest and knowledge that surpasses the necessity of trawling a notoriously error prone albeit otherwise useful and convenient reference site in a ridiculous attempt to portray some sort of expertise that I don't possess.

I am sure the good burghers of Rotherham who have worked so hard and for so many years to preserve this important piece of their own history and the millions British people as well as foreign tourists who eagerly visit similar private, National Trust and English Heritage administered historic estates and houses to see and appreciate everything from Capability Brown landscapes to collections of fine art that would otherwise be denied to them if they were still locked away in private ownership will be most grateful for the uninformed advice and opinions of a citizen of country that has little if anything to compare. We have a history and are proud of it and I suspect there are very few of us who would not protect it against cultural philistines such as you

In the same way that so many of us from here come to the US to marvel at your stupendous unique landscapes most of your fellow countrymen who come top the UK do so to see and appreciate exactly the sort of places and things that you so idiotically and ignorantly dismiss as "elitist." Elitist includes an arrogant assumption that you are better than others and know more than others. You aren't - and you don't.


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