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Post by Irn Bru on Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:33 pm

These flats are part of the affordable housing units allocated within the block and are owned by the government at a cost of around £10 million pounds. That averages out at around £150k per flat. Those allocated these flats will not be permitted to use the luxury facilities within the block. The flats are allocated on a permanent basis and are just part of the efforts being made to accomodate all those who suffered.

Empathy and understanding of the horrors these people went throiugh are notably absent elswhere which is shocking and shameful. The government have done many things wrong regarding how they have responded to the tower block fire but at least they have done the right thing here.

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Post by Scrat. on Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:04 pm

Corbyn has always said "you must put every available option on the table" that's the difference between a leader for all the people and a leader that's there at the behest of a few.

Strange how the idea of requisition is so controversial, again Corbyn has been proven correct!
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Post by Irn Bru on Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:09 pm

Scrat. wrote:Corbyn has always said "you must put every available option on the table" that's the difference between a leader for all the people and a leader that's there at the behest of a few.

Strange how the idea of requisition is so controversial, again Corbyn has been proven correct!

Spot on Bruv.
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Post by Deadpool on Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:24 pm

Irn Bru wrote:These flats are part of the affordable housing units allocated within the block and are owned by the government at a cost of around £10 million pounds. That averages out at around £150k per flat. Those allocated these flats will not be permitted to use the luxury facilities within the block. The flats are allocated on a permanent basis and are just part of the efforts being made to accomodate all those who suffered.

Empathy and understanding of the horrors these people went throiugh are notably absent elswhere which is shocking and shameful. The government have done many things wrong regarding how they have responded to the tower block fire but at least they have done the right thing here.

Sources, always check sources.
You know what i see happening, given that little gem. (sic)" permanent basis" Yea if you can pay the rent ?

In a year or so, when emotions are not so raw,These family's rents will be raised ,or charged for an extra bedroom or some other method, Basically pushing the "Poor" out of these flats.

I mean they dont want a load of "Poor" people, spoiling their luxury facility's do we, After all,that's why the cladding was put on the flats in the first place.
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Post by Irn Bru on Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:35 pm

Deadpool wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:These flats are part of the affordable housing units allocated within the block and are owned by the government at a cost of around £10 million pounds. That averages out at around £150k per flat. Those allocated these flats will not be permitted to use the luxury facilities within the block. The flats are allocated on a permanent basis and are just part of the efforts being made to accomodate all those who suffered.

Empathy and understanding of the horrors these people went throiugh are notably absent elswhere which is shocking and shameful. The government have done many things wrong regarding how they have responded to the tower block fire but at least they have done the right thing here.

Sources, always check sources.
You know what i see happening, given that little gem. (sic)" permanent basis" Yea if you can pay the rent ?

In a year or so, when emotions are not so raw,These family's rents will be raised ,or charged for an extra bedroom or some other method, Basically pushing the "Poor" out of these flats.

I mean they dont want a load of "Poor" people, spoiling their luxury facility's do we, After all,that's why the cladding was put on the flats in the first place.

You could be right but with the terrorist supporting DUP holding the current 'government' to ransom to get what they want there's a good chance they may be gone by then.
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Post by Irn Bru on Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:47 pm

THe only people offering some sort of support on the requisitioning of empty homes proposal for properties not being used are just as I would have thought were Raggs and Eddie so fair play to them.
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Post by victorismyhero on Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:12 am

Irn Bru wrote:THe only people offering some sort of support on the requisitioning of empty homes proposal for properties not being used are just as I would have thought were Raggs and Eddie so fair play to them.

selective blindness????
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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:15 am

victorismyhero wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:THe only people offering some sort of support on the requisitioning of empty homes proposal for properties not being used are just as I would have thought were Raggs and Eddie so fair play to them.

selective blindness????

OK. Who else has done so?
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Post by victorismyhero on Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:21 am

me for one....

Indeed to the point that NO-ONE should have a second home (unless that second home is actually a business (rental/holiday cottage let/etc)
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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:28 am

victorismyhero wrote:me for one....

Indeed to the point that NO-ONE should have a second home (unless that second home is actually a business (rental/holiday cottage let/etc)

I thought I saw you saying elsewhere that filling homes with survivors without the owners permission was like what commies would do.

Didn't see you name on the 68 social housing flats in the luxury block thread so sorry if I missed it.
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Post by victorismyhero on Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:37 am

Irn Bru wrote:
victorismyhero wrote:me for one....

Indeed to the point that NO-ONE should have a second home (unless that second home is actually a business (rental/holiday cottage let/etc)

I thought I saw you saying elsewhere that filling homes with survivors without the owners permission was like what commies would do.

Didn't see you name on the 68 social housing flats in the luxury block thread so sorry if I missed it.

If you are refering to my comments about corbyn, thats a different matter....he's nowt but an hypocritical champagne socialist...do as I say, not as I do

elsewhere I have strongly supported the notion of even confiscating land banked housing and second homes....and not ONLY recently either...use your "hyperlinks" and you should find it well enough...

as to your reference to being banned???? I'll look into that....AFAIK you were NOT banned....certainly not by me anyways..... scratch scratch
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Re: 68 Flats allocated to survivors and those affected by the fire in the Grenfell Tower Block

Post by Irn Bru on Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:51 am

victorismyhero wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
victorismyhero wrote:me for one....

Indeed to the point that NO-ONE should have a second home (unless that second home is actually a business (rental/holiday cottage let/etc)

I thought I saw you saying elsewhere that filling homes with survivors without the owners permission was like what commies would do.

Didn't see you name on the 68 social housing flats in the luxury block thread so sorry if I missed it.

If you are refering to my comments about corbyn, thats a different matter....he's nowt but an hypocritical champagne socialist...do as I say, not as I do

elsewhere I have strongly supported the notion of even confiscating land banked housing and second homes....and not ONLY recently either...use your "hyperlinks" and you should find it well enough...

as to your reference to being banned????  I'll look into that....AFAIK you were NOT banned....certainly not by me anyways..... scratch scratch

I'm not banned. I'm talking about you banning Scrat. Have you seen what has been posted by others who have done a whole lot worse yet are still posting away after numerous bans were overturned? One was threats to bring down the forum which was supposed to be a ban for life but that poster is back again - why?

Can you spell out in detail what Corbyn has done in respect of social housing that has got you so upset. I'll read your answer tomorrow as it's late now.

Catch you tomorrow.
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Re: 68 Flats allocated to survivors and those affected by the fire in the Grenfell Tower Block

Post by Scrat. on Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:50 am

Irn Bru wrote:
victorismyhero wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:

I thought I saw you saying elsewhere that filling homes with survivors without the owners permission was like what commies would do.

Didn't see you name on the 68 social housing flats in the luxury block thread so sorry if I missed it.

If you are refering to my comments about corbyn, thats a different matter....he's nowt but an hypocritical champagne socialist...do as I say, not as I do

elsewhere I have strongly supported the notion of even confiscating land banked housing and second homes....and not ONLY recently either...use your "hyperlinks" and you should find it well enough...

as to your reference to being banned????  I'll look into that....AFAIK you were NOT banned....certainly not by me anyways..... scratch scratch

I'm not banned. I'm talking about you banning Scrat. Have you seen what has been posted by others who have done a whole lot worse yet are still posting away after numerous bans were overturned? One was threats to bring down the forum which was supposed to be a ban for life but that poster is back again - why?

Can you spell out in detail what Corbyn has done in respect of social housing that has got you so upset. I'll read your answer tomorrow as it's late now.

Catch you tomorrow.
Ive had my 15mins of fame on NF, when moderators lock the thread that welcomes you to their forum, you kinda know the clock is ticking!

If I returned the shock would be too much for them, I'm a loose cannon and I enjoy being a cannon let loose, it would be fun to witness once again the Didglet soil himself in my presence, watch Lord Haw Haw ponce off like a big girls blouse, celebrate Nicko continuing with his ban Scrat threads, and laugh at the flopettes who will stamp and stamp and stamp their feet until they are sick, but let's be honest here it's not fair on special Eds who would suffer further derangement and insomnia, and then there's the sadfuck Victor! This naziapologist, would cling to me like some flea ridden sloth reeking from the stench of chimps, no, this will not happen.

I'd rather be banned for being who I am, than pander at the feet of two power hungry and corrupt far right apologists whilst pretending to be something I'm not.
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Re: 68 Flats allocated to survivors and those affected by the fire in the Grenfell Tower Block

Post by Irn Bru on Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:51 pm

Scrat. wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
victorismyhero wrote:

If you are refering to my comments about corbyn, thats a different matter....he's nowt but an hypocritical champagne socialist...do as I say, not as I do

elsewhere I have strongly supported the notion of even confiscating land banked housing and second homes....and not ONLY recently either...use your "hyperlinks" and you should find it well enough...

as to your reference to being banned????  I'll look into that....AFAIK you were NOT banned....certainly not by me anyways..... scratch scratch

I'm not banned. I'm talking about you banning Scrat. Have you seen what has been posted by others who have done a whole lot worse yet are still posting away after numerous bans were overturned? One was threats to bring down the forum which was supposed to be a ban for life but that poster is back again - why?

Can you spell out in detail what Corbyn has done in respect of social housing that has got you so upset. I'll read your answer tomorrow as it's late now.

Catch you tomorrow.
Ive had my 15mins of fame on NF, when moderators lock the thread that welcomes you to their forum, you kinda know the clock is ticking!

If I returned the shock would be too much for them, I'm a loose cannon and I enjoy being a cannon let loose, it would be fun to witness once again the Didglet soil himself in my presence, watch Lord Haw Haw ponce off like a big girls blouse, celebrate Nicko continuing with his ban Scrat threads, and laugh at the flopettes who will stamp and stamp and stamp their feet until they are sick, but let's be honest here it's not fair on special Eds who would suffer further derangement and insomnia, and then there's the sadfuck Victor! This naziapologist, would cling to me like some flea ridden sloth reeking from the stench of chimps, no, this will not happen.

I'd rather be banned for being who I am, than pander at the feet of two power hungry and corrupt far right apologists whilst pretending to be something I'm not.

Well that'll be that Scrat. But one has to admire your principles in sticking to what you believe is right. That made me think of a poem  by Burns which you can read here...

A Man's A Man For A' That


Is there for honesty poverty
That hings his head, an' a' that;
The coward slave - we pass him by,
We dare be poor for a' that!
For a' that, an' a' that,
Our toils obscure an' a' that,
The rank is but the guinea's stamp,
The man's the gowd for a' that.

What though on hamely fare we dine,
Wear hoddin grey, an' a' that?
Gie fools their silks, and knaves their wine,
A man's a man for a' that.
For a' that, an' a' that,
Their tinsel show, an' a' that,
The honest man, tho' e'er sae poor,
Is king o' men for a' that.

Ye see yon birkie ca'd a lord,
Wha struts, an' stares, an' a' that;
Tho' hundreds worship at his word,
He's but a coof for a' that.
For a' that, an' a' that,
His ribband, star, an' a' that,
The man o' independent mind
He looks an' laughs at a' that.

A prince can mak a belted knight,
A marquise, duke, an' a' that;
But an honest man's aboon his might,
Gude faith, he maunna fa' that!
For a' that, an' a' that,
Their dignities an' a' that,
The pith o' sense, an' pride o' worth,
Are higher rank than a' that.

Then let us pray that come it may,
(As come it will for a' that,)
That Sense and Worth, o'er a' the earth,
Shall bear the gree, an' a' that.
For a' that, an' a' that,
It's comin yet for a' that
That man to man, the world o'er,
Shall brithers be for a' that.

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This has been set to music, and you may have heard it sung. It is written in Ayrshire dialect, and English, but the sentiments expressed are universal.
In Verse One, Burns is saying that wealth, or lack of it,and social class should not be the measure of a man's true worth. " The rank is but the guinea's stamp" means that a person cannot be given a price. The man's character is the true gold.

Verse Two continues the theme. We may wear ordinary clothes, and eat simple food, but appearance is just a show, like tinsel. Honesty is worth more than fancy clothes.

Now Verse Three might have got Burns into some trouble in Edinburgh. The birkie (cool young guy) who struts around, and has the title of Lord, is only a coof (an idiot). The man who learns to think for himself is worth much more than that.

Verse Four continues this theme. Princes can hand out titles at will, but honesty and pure goodness are worth much more. Self respect doesn't come from inherited wealth or titles.

Verse Five is a prayer that Sense and Worth shall eventually agree with all mankind. Burns imagines a future world in which all people will live as brothers, in mutual trust and respect. "It's coming yet, for a' that". Well, it hasn't come yet Rabbie, but we live in hope.


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Post by Sassy on Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:57 pm

Did you know that Grenfell survivors will have towaive the right to sue RBKC if they sign to accept the £5200 on offer from the government? How fucking evil is that!
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Post by Irn Bru on Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:59 pm

Sassy wrote:Did you know that Grenfell survivors will have towaive the right to sue RBKC if they sign to accept the £5200 on offer from the government?    How fucking evil is that!

Rotten little gits they are. It's the Tory Party all over.
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