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I'm a serving firearms officer and the Government is wrong to claim police cuts have nothing to do with recent attacks

Post by Sassy on Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:43 pm

Despite her denials, Theresa May’s cuts to police numbers have made attacks like London and Manchester much more likely

After the Manchester Arena terror attack, Amber Rudd told the public: “We must not imply that this terrorist activity wouldn’t have taken place if there had been more policing … good counter-terrorism activity is because you have a close relationship between the policing and intelligence services.”

This kind of rhetoric may seem persuasive and eloquent but, as so often with politicians trying to avoid blame, it is untrue. It is untrue because it misses a key and huge fundamental point to the protection of our national security: community policing intelligence.

Police officers embedded in the community, there to help, there to listen, there to understand the community they serve. It is in the community where the best intelligence is learnt and gathered, from the people who notice a change in behaviour of their friends and neighbours, allowing early intervention and monitoring.

Theresa May’s cuts have removed these officers from the streets. The intelligence they brought in through local knowledge and community engagement has dried up and collapsed, and the local bobby known to all has gone, replaced by a reactive police “service” that is inadequate – as the press is always so quick to point out when mistakes are made and splashed all over their front pages.

“Cuts have consequences” – this was the tag line used by the Police Federation when the bones were being stripped from British policing. Now we see that this wasn’t “scaremongering”, as Theresa May, the then-Home Secretary told us. We are now seeing the very real consequences of these cuts – in the faces of the victims of this attack we see in our papers.

May told her audience at the time the police’s warnings “didn’t serve the public”. I ask now: has she served in the public’s best interest?

In my force alone, just to meet the service level agreements on officer numbers deployed to the street, shifts are being extended, rest days are being cancelled, and since the Manchester and London attacks more officers are required – officers who don’t really exist since the cuts. Many of my colleagues are working 18-plus days straight without any real rest to make sure the public are safe and protected.

The real questioned posed is can any random, lone wolf attack be stopped? With early intervention and the right attention: yes, possibly. Without information being fed into the police service and intelligence services about a particular subject from their community: of course not.

May was warned that her cuts would force paramilitary style policing in Britain yet she ignored this. The army is now deployed on our streets. More than 1,300 skilled firearms officers have been cut, recruitment of those officers is slow and our national security is at risk.

Officers know the risks of carrying a weapon. They know they will have little or no support from the Government if they are forced to fire their weapon and will face months if not years of investigations for trying to protect others. Would you join a job like this?

I chose to do this job not for the thanks – as there is little – but so people can lie peacefully in their beds knowing there is someone who would do whatever they can to make sure they are safe and protected.

My colleagues and I will continue to go forward when others run, but the reality now felt by officers around the UK, that we are too-often taken for granted and even perhaps un-liked by our Government.

We know if we get killed in the line of duty that the headlines will be gone in a day and our names will be forgotten. But we shall continue, we shall protect. Despite the obstacles we are continually confronted with to make our job harder, we keep going.

This article was written for the Independent by a serving firearms police officer who wished to remain anonymous

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/london-terror-attack-bridge-borough-latest-firearms-officer-government-wrong-police-cuts-theresa-may-a7772506.html


Straight from the horses mouth.
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Post by Irn Bru on Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:27 pm

May was warned by both the police and the military that cuts to the number of serving police officers increased the risk of terrorism. She ignored them all.

She is a danger to the security of our nation and she is accountable for what she has done. She should resign along with Rudd.
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Post by Irn Bru on Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:34 pm

Don't risk safety of London with police cuts, Boris Johnson pleads to PM

Boris Johnson has made a direct appeal to David Cameron to prevent police cuts leaving Londoners in greater danger from a Paris-style massacre, the Evening Standard can reveal.

The Mayor met the Prime Minister one-to-one in the past 24 hours to warn urgently that Treasury demands to slash thousands of officers risks going too far.

The Met fears it would have too few officers to combat multiple attacks on different targets at the same time — the tactic used to devastating effect in the Paris atrocities last Friday.

An ex-City of London counter-terrorism chief today said officers would be mown down like First World War soldiers if they faced Kalashnikov-armed terrorists without better equipment.


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/dont-risk-safety-of-london-with-police-cuts-mayor-pleads-to-pm-a3119466.html

What a buch of two-faced lying gits the Tories are.

What's Boris saying now?
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Re: I'm a serving firearms officer and the Government is wrong to claim police cuts have nothing to do with recent attacks

Post by Sassy on Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:37 pm

Fucking hell!!! He's tweeting that we wouldn't be safe under Corbyn and getting mashed!
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Post by Irn Bru on Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:40 pm

Sassy wrote:Fucking hell!!!  He's tweeting that we wouldn't be safe under Corbyn and getting mashed!

The Tories just change their minds just like some of those that support their shit.

You can't believe a word they say.
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Post by victorismyhero on Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:45 am

question...would 10,000 more officers REALLY make a difference...Granted it might help in some way...BUT 20 years ago...before may and camegoons cuts, there were more officers ...and you STILL never saw a cop on the street....apart from the odd one driving around, just like now.

what there were more of was traffic cops, who have been replaced by traffic cameras these days. and who was it that set about replacing "REAL" police officers with plastic plods...(so called community support officers, who are neither officers NOR police and have NO police powers, and are invariably (it seems) kids with no idea). (and i have no idea...thats why I'm asking....)

dont get me wrong I would love to see our police strengthened, a weak police force does no one any good. but then again when you have complicity (moral cowardice??) by police in the "grooming gangs scenarios" one has to wonder as to their integrity...and just "whos side" they are actually on....
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Post by Handy andy on Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:49 pm

Theresa May, Call me Dave and Gideon.
3 out and out bastards who put the N into CU TS.
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Re: I'm a serving firearms officer and the Government is wrong to claim police cuts have nothing to do with recent attacks

Post by Sassy on Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:07 pm

victorismyhero wrote:question...would 10,000 more officers REALLY make a difference...Granted it might help in some way...BUT 20 years ago...before may and camegoons cuts, there were more officers ...and you STILL never saw a cop on the street....apart from the odd one driving around, just like now.

what there were more of was traffic cops, who have been replaced by traffic cameras these days. and who was it that set about replacing "REAL" police officers with plastic plods...(so called community support officers, who are neither officers NOR police and have NO police powers, and are invariably (it seems) kids with no idea). (and i have no idea...thats why I'm asking....)

dont get me wrong I would love to see our police strengthened, a weak police force does no one any good. but then again when you have complicity (moral cowardice??) by police in the "grooming gangs scenarios" one has to wonder as to their integrity...and just "whos side" they are actually on....


Think this may answer your question http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-warned-by-manchester-police-that-cuts-risked-terror-attack-2017-5?r=UK&IR=T

Do I think that cutting 20,000 police officers has put us at risk. You bet I do.

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Post by Aspca4ever on Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:03 pm

Sassy wrote:
victorismyhero wrote:question...would 10,000 more officers REALLY make a difference...Granted it might help in some way...BUT 20 years ago...before may and camegoons cuts, there were more officers ...and you STILL never saw a cop on the street....apart from the odd one driving around, just like now.

what there were more of was traffic cops, who have been replaced by traffic cameras these days. and who was it that set about replacing "REAL" police officers with plastic plods...(so called community support officers, who are neither officers NOR police and have NO police powers, and are invariably (it seems) kids with no idea). (and i have no idea...thats why I'm asking....)

dont get me wrong I would love to see our police strengthened, a weak police force does no one any good. but then again when you have complicity (moral cowardice??) by police in the "grooming gangs scenarios" one has to wonder as to their integrity...and just "whos side" they are actually on....

Think this may answer your question   http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-warned-by-manchester-police-that-cuts-risked-terror-attack-2017-5?r=UK&IR=T

Do I think that cutting 20,000 police officers has put us at risk.   You bet I do.
Perhaps the response time would be a 'stutter stepped event' but it would be a 'PRO-ACTIVE' event instead of a 'RE-ACTIVE' event. 
And here again, names from these terrorist were on a 'WATCH LIST' provided to the Brit's for known travel destinations into & out of training nations just as with the Paris attackers and the bomber that blew himself up at the Mega-Concert in Manchester.
So what number of law enforcement does it take to aide in the 'MONITORING OF THE WATCH LIST' ...I've no crystal ball; but common sense dictates a hell-of-a-lot more than the budgets allowed pre-million dollar cuts in 2015!
From Irn's link and interesting read > > >   
Don't risk safety of London with police cuts, Boris Johnson pleads to PM

Joe Murphy/Nicolas Cecil in London/ Peter Allen In Paris Friday 20 November 2015 11:23 GMT

The Mayor met the Prime Minister one-to-one in the past 24 hours to warn urgently that Treasury demands to slash thousands of officers risks going too far. The Met fears it would have too few officers to combat multiple attacks on different targets at the same time — the tactic used to devastating effect in the Paris atrocities last Friday.
An ex-City of London counter-terrorism chief today said officers would be mown down like First World War soldiers if they faced Kalashnikov-armed terrorists without better equipment.  And a leaked letter today revealed a top police officer warned the Home Secretary that cuts of 20 per cent in next week’s spending review will “severely impact” the UK’s ability to respond to a Paris-style attack.
The developments come a week after 129 people were killed when Islamic terrorists with Kalashnikovs and suicide vests attacked a rock concert, the national football stadium and restaurants in co-ordinated atrocities. Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe is under pressure to slash his 32,000-strong force by 5,000 officers.
For the entire article > http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/dont-risk-safety-of-london-with-police-cuts-mayor-pleads-to-pm-a3119466.html 
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Post by victorismyhero on Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:30 pm

never a straight answer is there...

we had many more officers BEFORE the torys got in...and yet there was never one to be seen...

now what good are 10,000 more police going to do when they all end up as traffic cops?
or sitting on their posteriors in the cop shop?

they need to be out there ...visible and, if necessary armed.

and who was it that relaced real cops with plastic cops?????????



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