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Post by Philagain1 on Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:58 pm




Gay men arrested in a ‘purge’ in the Russian region of Chechnya are being held in concentration camp-style prisons, reports have alleged.

Early reports emerged earlier this month that gay people are being targeted in the region, which is part of Russia but has substantial autonomy.

Russian newspapers and human rights groups report that more than 100 gay men have been detained “in connection with their non-traditional sexual orientation, or suspicion of such” as part of a purge. Several people were also reportedly feared dead following violent raids.

In a chilling response, a Chechen government spokesperson denied that there are any gay people to detain, insisting that “you can’t detain and harass someone who doesn’t exist in the republic”. The Kremlin denied any knowledge of a purge.

But reports have since emerged that the men arrested are being kept in horrific concentration camp prisons, where violent abuse and torture is common.




Based on interviews with eyewitnesses and survivors, Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta reports that a secret prison has been set up in the town of Argun to detain the men arrested in the purge.

One man who was released from the camp told the newspaper that he was subjected to violent “interrogations” at the camp, as Chechen officials attempted to get him to confess the names and locations of more gay men.

The officials also seized his mobile phone, targeting his network of contacts regardless of whether they were gay or not.

The camp was reportedly set up by Chechen forces in a former military headquarters in the town.

The newspaper reports allegations that the Speaker of the Parliament of Chechnya was among officials to visit the site, though the claims have not been substantiated.

The detainees face electric shock torture and violent beatings, while some of them have been held to ransom and used to extort their families.

The Russian LGBT Network, which is running a support line for men fleeing the region, has confirmed the reports.

LGBT activist Svetlana Zakharova said: “Gay people have been detained and rounded up and we are working to evacuate people from the camps and some have now left the region.

“Those who have escaped said they are detained in the same room and people are kept altogether, around 30 or 40. They are tortured with electric currents and heavily beaten, sometimes to death.”

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Tanya Lokshina of Human Rights Watch wrote: “For several weeks now, a brutal campaign against LGBT people has been sweeping through Chechnya.

She continued: “Law enforcement and security agency officials under control of the ruthless head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, have rounded up dozens of men on suspicion of being gay, torturing and humiliating the victims.

“Some of the men have forcibly disappeared. Others were returned to their families barely alive from beatings. At least three men apparently have died since this brutal campaign began.”

She added: “These days, very few people in Chechnya dare speak to human rights monitors or journalists even anonymously because the climate of fear is overwhelming and people have been largely intimidated into silence.

“Filing an official complaint against local security officials is extremely dangerous, as retaliation by local authorities is practically inevitable.

“It is difficult to overstate just how vulnerable LGBT people are in Chechnya, where homophobia is intense and rampant.

“LGBT people are in danger not only of persecution by the authorities but also of falling victim to ‘honour killings’ by their own relatives for tarnishing family honour.”

UK Foreign Office minister Baroness Anelay has called on Russia to investigate the mass detention of gay men in Chechnya and ensure the perpetrators are brought to justice.

In a statement to PinkNews, Baroness Anelay said: “The detention and ill-treatment of over 100 gay men in Chechnya is extremely concerning. Reports have also suggested that at least three of these men have been killed.

“The statement by the regional Government, implying that such treatment towards LGBT people is acceptable, is particularly abhorrent. We condemn any and all persecution, and call on the authorities to promptly investigate and ensure that perpetrators of human rights abuses are brought to justice.

“The human rights situation for LGBT people in Russia has deteriorated significantly in recent years and we continue to voice our serious concern with Russian authorities at all levels.

“Russia’s international human rights obligations require them to protect citizens who may be at risk of persecution. We expect the Russian government to fulfill its obligations to this end, and to uphold the rule of law.


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Twisted Evil  We all knew that things were bad in that region. Wonder why this isn't being reported more.
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Post by Sassy on Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:00 pm

That is beyond awful. The world is going backwards and I truly fear for the future.
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Post by Philagain1 on Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:06 pm

Exactly!

I can remember times where we could travel anywhere in the world, it's madness that you now have to vet any place that you are interested in travelling to. Sad
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Post by Philagain1 on Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:08 pm

.....I just feel lucky to live here tbh.
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Post by Aspca4ever on Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:50 pm

Sassy wrote:That is beyond awful.   The world is going backwards and I truly fear for the future.
by Philagain1 on Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:06 pm
Exactly!
I can remember times where we could travel anywhere in the world, it's madness that you now have to vet any place that you are interested in travelling to.
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   There's just something sick/twisted and perverse going on in the world; how we have managed to push forward with so many equality issues in the past 20 years and now in the 21st century to have it all become repressed and a hunted criminal act to be LGBT.  Evil or Very Mad  
And what if you're not LGBT, but just get accused of being LGBT - those stereotypical homophobic ass swipes: see gay - hear gays - think gays are popping up everywhere! 
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Post by Philagain1 on Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:20 pm

Aspca4ever wrote:
by Philagain1 on Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:06 pm
Exactly!
I can remember times where we could travel anywhere in the world, it's madness that you now have to vet any place that you are interested in travelling to.
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   There's just something sick/twisted and perverse going on in the world; how we have managed to push forward with so many equality issues in the past 20 years and now in the 21st century to have it all become repressed and a hunted criminal act to be LGBT.  Evil or Very Mad  
And what if you're not LGBT, but just get accused of being LGBT - those stereotypical homophobic ass swipes: see gay - hear gays - think gays are popping up everywhere! 


It's ALL down to religions imo! Mad

With Russia, it's all about Putin connecting with the Russian authodox church etc...Religions are annoyed about gay people being treated as equal in the West, so i think their power is more prounouced in the regions of the world where they have more of a powerful influence.

What gets my goat is that all their holy books said that it was right to keep slaves etc...and they got over that one! Laughing

This is why i've become a hell of a lot more anti ALL religion, as i see ALL religions as a cancer on ALL societies!

If we are to take our eyes off the balls (excuse the pun) then it won't be long before our rights are eroded again and especially with brexit, where we wouldn't have got anywhere without EU laws!

IMO....That is why we have to take on religion as a whole! There might be nice religious people but it's the organised bit that needs to be stamped upon IMO!
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Post by Philagain1 on Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:23 pm

.....I think that the man jesus, would have agreed that all churches should be converted into homeless hostels!

The congregation can pray at home or go to help out etc!
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Post by Aspca4ever on Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:34 pm

Lots of truth in what you've posted dear Philagain; sadly the rational behind a formalized religion {of any flavor/name/doctrine} is for control of those mindless masses and their    and as you stated ...this is not what the foundation of Christ and Christianity was 'SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT'! 
I just don't know how to stop such heinous things from going on in those countries ...the UN - NATO - humanity organizations be able to stop this from taking place?
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Post by Shady2 on Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:53 pm

As well as being wrong,it's most interesting to listen to those who oppose or pretend to oppose homosexuality because it's not as if homosexuality is a recent arrival of some sort.

That sexual preference has been here since the year dot,everyone knows it,but tries to deny it.Why?

The denial of homosexuality is literally like flogging a dead horse.You will flog it and flog it but the fact won't change that's it is dead.
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Post by Philagain1 on Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:42 pm

Shady2 wrote:As well as being wrong,it's most interesting to listen to those who oppose or pretend to oppose homosexuality because it's not as if homosexuality is a recent arrival of some sort.

That sexual preference has been here since the year dot,everyone knows it,but tries to deny it.Why?

The denial of homosexuality is literally like flogging a dead horse.You will flog it and flog it but the fact won't change that's it is dead.

It's not a preference, else you would be able to jump into bed with a man if you got chatting in a pub and he shared your views on life etc.... Laughing
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Gay Chechens give accounts of roundups, beatings, extortion

Post by Philagain1 on Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:14 pm




One man says that every day police and officers of the Interior Ministry's SOBR special-police unit would come to the house and pressure his relatives, demanding that they persuade him to return. (Photo by Olga Maltseva/AFP/Getty Images)

Amid reports of a ‘purge’ of gay men in Chechnya, three men from the region tell their stories.

Note: This article has been republished with the permission of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. Read the original report here.

Local authorities in Chechnya are alleged to be out for blood when it comes to homosexuality. Human rights groups and a major Russian newspaper say that in recent months gay Chechens have been rounded up because of their sexual orientation, beaten, blackmailed, and even killed.

RFE/RL’s Russian Service spoke to three gay Chechen men who gave their personal accounts of their escapes from the abuse they faced in the southern Russian republic, where homosexuality is stigmatised and so-called honour killings carried out by family members are not uncommon.

In each case, the men’s names have been changed to protect their identity.

Said

In October, Said says, he was set up by friends he had been known for 1 1/2 years. They had been regular guests at his home in the Chechen capital, Grozny, and they had spoken openly about various topics. Then came the blackmail — one day they demanded 2.5 million rubles ($44,000) from him, threatening to publish audio and video evidence of his homosexuality if he didn’t pay up.

He decided not to. He sold his car and fled Chechnya — first for Krasnodar and then for Moscow, telling everyone he had emigrated to Europe.

In January, however, he returned to Grozny for family reasons. He promptly left, he says, but not before he was seen by police acquainted with his blackmailers. “Mom called and told me officers were asking for me. Then they took the phone from her and [a man called and] asked where I was,” he says. “I replied that I was in Krasnodar. He said, ‘Let me send a car for you, come here.'”

Said says he knew exactly why they were contacting him and declined to travel to meet them. Then, he alleges, police officers took his brother hostage and threatened not to release him until Said returned to Grozny. That evening, Said says, he received a call from his sister and other relatives; they were trying to persuade him to return.

“Mom didn’t know anything about me and what had happened. At the beginning, I couldn’t tell her, but then I admitted that I’m gay. She said: ‘That’s not a problem, just come here. We know you didn’t do anything bad, and they’re saying that if everything they say about you is untrue then they will apologise before every member of the family.’ But I realised that they wanted to lure me in to obtain information from me and then simply kill me.”

One of Said’s relatives, an officer, called him. “I knew that he knew and I told him: ‘I’m gay.’ He replied, ‘I know, there is nothing left but to kill you.’ I told him, ‘OK I’ll come, but promise that you will kill me without coming near me.’ He wouldn’t make that promise because he knew that they needed my acquaintances’ contact details.”

Said never returned home, and today he is in a European country. He has ceased all contact with his family. He says he used to hear news of his family through an acquaintance from Grozny. He was told that the police had, in fact, detained his brother, and that every day police and officers of the Interior Ministry’s SOBR special-police unit would come to the house and pressure his relatives, demanding that they persuade him to return.

Unfortunately, he says, he has since lost his connection home, and has no idea what is happening with his family. He can’t phone his relatives, he says, because he is afraid their phones are tapped.

Said says that many of his homosexual acquaintances disappeared from social networks in February and March — around the time that Novaya Gazeta and human rights groups say that a new wave of persecution against homosexuals began. Some, he suggests, must be lying low. Others, he fears, might have fallen victim to the antigay campaign.

“One of my friends was arrested in December. Then they let him go, and he gave up all his friends,” Said says. “The last time I spoke to him two weeks ago, he cried that they had again come for him and were looking for him. I don’t know where he is now.”

Another acquaintance was returned to his family by officers on the condition they kill him. “His uncle killed him. I know this for sure. He was 20 or 21 years old,” Said says.

Malik

Said got away without being tortured. Malik wasn’t so lucky. He was detained in March after messaging a gay acquaintance, he says, and spent 10 days in a secret jail. “We lived in a big barracks — there were 15 gays and another 20 drug addicts,” he says. “But when we arrived, the status of the drug addicts rose significantly. They were allowed to torment us.”

Every day in the prison, Malik says, he and the other gay inmates were beaten and humiliated. They were given women’s names and forced to dance in front of each other, and were individually led away to another building where they were tortured. Malik says he was kicked and beaten with sticks, tortured by electric shock through clamps attached to his toes and fingers.

He was asked to hand over the contact details of other homosexuals, but he had had time to delete all such information from his phone and gave up no names. “They constantly threatened to kill us,” he says. “I knew that I might not get out alive, but I would rather die myself than ruin someone else’s life.”

He and the other gay inmates slept on a bare floor with no covers, unlike the drug addicts, who slept on beds. “They were hot and opened the windows, but they had taken even our coats away,” Malik recalls. “There was nothing for us to cover ourselves with.”

They were allowed to go to the toilet three times a day: morning, afternoon, evening.

Malik was offered the chance to buy his freedom for 1 million rubles (about $17,500) — money he didn’t have. Nonetheless, he does not believe his captors’ primary objective was extortion. “They were discussing among themselves how they must fight against people like us, and they told us not to do this ever again,” Malik says. “It was a preventive action to stop [homosexuality].”

Ten days later, he says, the homosexual inmates were lined up in a row in the barracks and humiliated, one by one, in front of their relatives. Then they were handed over.

Malik was taken home and hid in his room. His father came to his room with a metal pipe in hand. “I told him to wait. I took off my T-shirt and showed him that I was already entirely blue [with bruising] — what’s left to beat? He left and didn’t talk to me again.”

Malik waited for his bruises to heal and then fled Grozny. He says he doesn’t know what happened to the others. All of them, he says, have deleted their accounts from VKontakte (VK), the popular Russian social network. He learned on VK that the relatives of one were being offered condolences. Malik believes that person may have been killed by his relatives.

Khasan

Khasan, 23, left his home as he always did, carrying a small backpack. But instead of going to work, he went to the airport and flew away, leaving Grozny — and Chechnya — forever.

Looking back at his situation, he says he had read about mass arrests of gays that reportedly took place in the beginning of March, but didn’t take it seriously. He says he thought they were probably talking about past, isolated, cases of homosexuals being set up. “Then, at the end of March, a woman called, crying, sobbing, and saying that her son [a friend of Khasan’s] had disappeared,” he says. “[She] asked if he wasn’t at my place. He wasn’t at mine. He’s 19 years old. He’s also…in the know,” Khasan adds, a euphemism he uses because he considers the word “gay” to be taboo.

Other acquaintances began to disappear, he says. “I didn’t sleep for several days, I stood by the window at night, waiting for them [the police] to come for me,” Khasan says. “I didn’t eat a thing all day…. I had been writing to a friend on WhatsApp — he had my number. They could have come at any moment.”

Khasan had already been caught in a setup. Last fall he met a man on VK, messaged him over the course of a month, and arranged to meet with him. When he finally saw him, he realised that the man had not been sending photos of himself, Khasan says. But the man gave assurances, saying that he sent false pictures out of fear.

“He said, ‘Let’s go to my place.’ He said he had an apartment in Grozny but it was not empty, and that he had a dacha out of town.”

“I said, ‘OK, let’s go.’ I got in the car. We drove. We were chatting normally. There was nothing to suggest I was being set up,” Khasan recalls. “And then he turned into a forest and I saw three people. I immediately understood that this was a setup, I was shocked. I said, ‘Please, you don’t need to do this.’ He said, ‘We will discuss this now.'”

Khasan says the three men in the woods were dressed in black military uniform with insignia and stripes — he recognised them as the officers of the SOBR special-police unit of the Interior Ministry.

“They stripped me naked. One filmed me on his telephone. Three of them beat me. They kicked me, broke my jaw. They said that this is a gay and that there shouldn’t be defects like this in Chechnya.”

They took Khasan’s telephone, which had the contacts of friends and relatives. They threatened to post the video of him on the Internet and asked for 300,000 rubles ($5,260) in exchange for their silence.

When he got home, he says, no one saw the bruising on Khasan’s body. He says he told his family that his broken jaw was from a fight. Khasan had two months to raise the money. He sold his computer and borrowed from his relatives under various pretexts.

Translated by Tom Balmforth in Moscow, based on reporting by RFE/RL Russian Service correspondent Sergei Khasov-Cassia

Copyright (c) 2017. RFE/RL, Inc. Reprinted with the permission of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, 1201 Connecticut Ave NW, Ste 400, Washington DC 20036.


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Post by Philagain1 on Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:22 pm

Mark Y • 2 hours ago

An 'urgent investigation' from the western world is not enough. Chechnya, like all muslim majority countries that have the death penalty for gay men, needs sanctions, trade boycotts, and if that doesn't work to stop this death to gays homophobia, they need bombs dripping on the leader's palace. Instead we will see nothing.

Would be nice to see all the celebrities that marched against Trump now marching against Chechnya. Instead we will silence.

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....and of course we all have to feel sorry for Palastine!
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Post by Shady2 on Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:25 pm

Philagain1 wrote:

It's not a preference, else you would be able to jump into bed with a man if you got chatting in a pub and he shared your views on life etc.... Laughing

Good afternoon Phil.

Point taken......But I still prefer having sex with women as opposed to men. pirat
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Post by Shady2 on Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:27 pm

Philagain1 wrote: Mark Y • 2 hours ago

An 'urgent investigation' from the western world is not enough. Chechnya, like all muslim majority countries that have the death penalty for gay men, needs sanctions, trade boycotts, and if that doesn't work to stop this death to gays homophobia, they need bombs dripping on the leader's palace. Instead we will see nothing.

Would be nice to see all the celebrities that marched against Trump now marching against Chechnya. Instead we will silence.

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Good point Phil but they're not going to march against muslim beliefs because they say they believe in religious freedom etc.But they'll march against Trump simply because he's white.
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Post by Sassy on Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:59 pm

Oh don't be pathetic.   Who fights for gay rights?   Mostly LW.   Who fights for them AGAINST ANYONE, wherever they might be.   Do stop with the lying propaganda, it's laughable.

Who is trying to hold the Saudi's to account for their crimes, the Left, the Right just keep selling the bastards more arms.
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Post by Aspca4ever on Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:06 pm

Shady2 wrote:

Good afternoon Phil.
Point taken......But I still prefer having sex with women as opposed to men. pirat
Well, lucky for those of us that 'fit into societies norm' that we've been INCLUDED and not EXCLUDED from the elitist POV regarding what's proper and what's not!  Suspect  
I fear this wave of renewed Bible Thumping/Right Winged Bat Crap Crazy will soon be asking for all of our personal/private bedroom habits and then where will you & I fall short confused  
What's got me puzzled is this 'NEWNESS' of this place; is it an active prison system that has been incorporated into a detainment place for LGBT {non-conformists} or was it built specifically 'NEW' just for such purpose? 
Seems the government was able to keep this under wraps quite well, but as the underworld between brutality of law enforcement and those undesirables within any given social order ...the number of humans that just disappear without a trace is very scary and who knows what those numbers really are?
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Post by Shady2 on Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:30 pm

Sassy wrote:Oh don't be pathetic.   Who fights for gay rights?   Mostly LW.   Who fights for them AGAINST ANYONE, wherever they might be.   Do stop with the lying propaganda, it's laughable.

Who is trying to hold the Saudi's to account for their crimes, the Left, the Right just keep selling the bastards more arms.

There are pills you can take for Momentum fever you know.
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Aspca4ever wrote:
Well, lucky for those of us that 'fit into societies norm' that we've been INCLUDED and not EXCLUDED from the elitist POV regarding what's proper and what's not!  Suspect  
I fear this wave of renewed Bible Thumping/Right Winged Bat Crap Crazy will soon be asking for all of our personal/private bedroom habits and then where will you & I fall short confused  
What's got me puzzled is this 'NEWNESS' of this place; is it an active prison system that has been incorporated into a detainment place for LGBT {non-conformists} or was it built specifically 'NEW' just for such purpose? 
Seems the government was able to keep this under wraps quite well, but as the underworld between brutality of law enforcement and those undesirables within any given social order ...the number of humans that just disappear without a trace is very scary and who knows what those numbers really are?

Good afternoon Aspca4ever.

These kinds of concentration camps are what the Labour/Momentum party have lined up for those UK occupants who didn't vote for them if they win the next General Election.

It's a terrifying thought but extremists tend to adopt extreme methods to enforce their beliefs.And many of us in the UK are terrified of this far left wing/extreme islam alliance.
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Post by Sassy on Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:34 pm

Take no notice of Shady, he's a bit touched, and not by anything nice I'm afraid. He thinks coming on here, trying to be clever while telling porkies that he thinks fits in with our view of him, will somehow make us scared of him. Actually, it just makes me giggle, I can hear his cogs turning, trying to think up more outlandish lies and hoping to wind someone in. Do grow up Shady and have an actual discussion. You know you can do it if you try hard enough.
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Post by Sassy on Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:48 pm

London Young Labour‏ @LDNYoungLabour 3h3 hours ago

We stand in solidarity with our LGBT+ brothers and sisters in Chechnya #ShutTheCamps #NoHumanIsIllegal





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The police should have been doing more to stop people from being hit by the traffic ffs!
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Post by Shady2 on Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:17 pm

Sassy wrote:Take no notice of Shady, he's a bit touched, and not by anything nice I'm afraid.   He thinks coming on here, trying to be clever while telling porkies that he thinks fits in with our view of him, will somehow make us scared of him.   Actually, it just makes me giggle, I can hear his cogs turning, trying to think up more outlandish lies and hoping to wind someone in.   Do grow up Shady and have an actual discussion.   You know you can do it if you try hard enough.

Ahh.With a reply like that,I've obviously hit the nail on the head.
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Post by Aspca4ever on Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:21 pm

Philagain1 wrote:The police should have been doing more to stop people from being hit by the traffic ffs!

If ONLY; if only the rational thinking humans could 'OUT THINK' those evil doers that are hell bent on getting to us and doing us ill will.  But that just never seems possible; evil manages to stay one step ahead of the good thinking humans.  Wish it wasn't so, but it's been that way since history has been written for us to read.  No
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