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Post by Guest on Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:48 am

Patriotism may well be the last refuge of a scoundrel. But it’s also a pretty cosy hidey-hole for an opposition leader struggling to convince the electorate he’s the hombre to put the Great back into Britain.

Ed Miliband has just urged us all to buy British. “There are three words we do not hear enough,” he informed the Engineer Employers Federation a few minutes ago. “Those three words are 'Made in Britain’”. Too right, Ed. We don’t hear the words “Ed Miliband would make a brilliant Prime Minister” all that much either. But Made in Britain will do to be going along with.

This speech represents an interesting departure for Labour’s leader. You can tell, because whenever Miliband moves off the secure ground of, say, the NHS reforms or David Cameron’s riding technique, he spends four fifths of his time telling us all what his plans aren’t, rather than what they are.

So today’s call to buy British, last echoed in 1968, is “not about a backward looking Buy British campaign” – perish the thought – “it's about something else”.

Great. What? Is it about supporting British business financially? Er, no: “Propping up lame ducks…is something to which we will never return.” OK, what about tariffs? Apparently not: "Opposition to protectionism was right…protectionism is what governments reach for when they don't believe firms can compete.” Hmmm. What about calling on us plucky consumers to do our bit? “This is not about making consumers feel bad if they don't buy products from British business.” Oh.

So what precisely is this new bulldog of British manufacturing advocating? “We should not be embarrassed about the need for more patriotism in our economic policy. It is patriotic to have an active government using all the means at its disposal to give competitive British firms every chance to succeed.” All the means excepts tariffs, investment or an appeal to the British consumer. It would seem the last refuge of a struggling political leader isn’t patriotism after all. It’s wild abstraction.

Actually, that’s a bit harsh. One concrete proposal Miliband is backing is the call from British cooker manufacturer Stoves for a standardised kite mark for UK goods. "There should be a standard Made in Britain mark that is backed not just by industry but backed by government,” he says, in a dig at ministers who have failed to throw their weight behind the plan.

Curious about whether the Leader of the Opposition is a man who likes to put his money where his white goods are, I phoned the Labour press office. “Does Ed Miliband own a British stove?”, I ask. Laughter. “We don’t quite have a line to take for that. Try the press officer who’s with him.” I call Miliband’s press officer James Stewart. If anyone will give me a straight answer, surely James Stewart will. “Let me find out and get back,” he says. A few minutes later I receive a text. “No idea the make of Ed’s cooker. The speech is about having pride in the British manufacturing sector.” That’s a no then. If Ed owned a British stove he’d have had it carried up to the lectern with him.

But Miliband doesn’t really give two hoots where we buy our cookers. Today is primarily about defensive political positioning. This is Labour’s response to the charge they are anti-business. Business may be “predatory”. But they are our predators. And we have the best predators in the world.

It also represents Ed Miliband’s first tentative efforts to align himself with the “Britishness” agenda. Last year some of his key advisors began urging him to start to build a narrative around the concept of “Englishness” and work began on a speech to sketch out some of the themes. But ultimately the concept proved too rich for Miliband’s blood, and the speech was shelved.

Despite that, he is well aware of the political opportunities, and risks, presented by a year of Jubilee and Olympic festivities. And whilst Ed Miliband is no bingo-jingo politico, he knows he cannot afford to miss out on the street party.

Whether today’s speech is likely to secure him an invite is another matter. “Buy British”. Seriously?

In fact, that’s the basic problem. It’s not serious. It doesn’t form part of a coherent political strategy. Nor can it even be called a policy. It’s nothing more than a slogan. A vague aspiration.

Over the past couple of weeks Ed Miliband has enjoyed some success with the NHS reforms and bankers bonuses. But a startling immaturity continues to underpin his politics. He attacks business. Then is surprised that his attacks are perceived to be an attack. Is even more surprised when his political opponents brand them an attack. And then in response reaches desperately back to 1968 to try and formulate a defence.

It is the year 2012. We no longer buy British. We buy value and quality. Ed Miliband’s speech is 40 years past its sell-by date.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100141802/buy-british-ed-miliband-heads-back-to-1968-on-a-made-in-britain-time-machine/

Mr Brown and his "British Jobs for British Workers"

lol! lol! lol! lol!

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Post by Guest on Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:48 pm

Yes it does make you laugh.

That said I do my best to do just that and it isnt easy.

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Post by Guest on Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:57 pm

Never seen those two words together before "Liebour and Patriotic." -- Liebour's aims are to destroy Britain and turn it into a communist state. I doubt Millichump picked up the wrong speech by mistake.

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Post by Irn Bru on Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:28 pm

Seren wrote:

Mr Brown and his "British Jobs for British Workers"

lol! lol! lol! lol!

Maybe Gordon Brown should have said 'British workers come first'. right?

Shame the EU doesn't permit that. Yep, that's the EU that Thatcher and Major signed us up to.

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Post by Guest on Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:27 pm

Irn Bru wrote:

Maybe Gordon Brown should have said 'British workers come first'. right?

Shame the EU doesn't permit that. Yep, that's the EU that Thatcher and Major signed us up to.

the same EU that gordon promised a referendum. The only pm to lie outright and then be fully supported by his mug voters
You have to be pretty thick to take that on the cheek. Fortunately for labour the party is not short on thick.


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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:01 am

Drinky wrote: the same EU that gordon promised a referendum. The only pm to lie outright and then be fully supported by his mug voter
You have to be pretty thick to take that on the cheek. Fortunately for labour the party is not short on thick.

You're wrong. Gordon Brown never promised a referendum on the EU. What was promised was a referendum on a new European constitution. The Lisbon Treaty was not an in/out option.
The Tories lied through their teeth when they said no more powers to Europe without the will of the British peple.
Get your facts right.

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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:25 am

You know full well we were promised a referendum. Squirm and spin all you like the political commentators at the time said it as it was.

That you still lie about this yourself speaks volumes about labour supporters. You would rather tell a lie even when the truth would serve you better.

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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:15 am

They don't call the Socialist party LIEbour for nothing folks. They only time they don't lie is when their lips are tight together.

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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:32 am

Indeed Fred. I'm sure they think that repeating the same lie time and time again will in time make it a truth.

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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:53 pm

Drinky wrote:You know full well we were promised a referendum. Squirm and spin all you like the political commentators at the time said it as it was.

That you still lie about this yourself speaks volumes about labour supporters. You would rather tell a lie even when the truth would serve you better.

I don't tell lies, Drinky, but if you think I do then point out exactly where I have lied.

The lies started before the 1970 general election when the Tories stated that it would be wrong if any Government contemplating membership of the European Community were to take this step without 'the full hearted consent of Parliament and people'. They lied because they took us into Europe and in doing so didn't ask the people and therefore reneged on what they said in their election campaign.
I expect that'll be like a dagger through your heart but I'm afraid it's a truth that you need to face up to.

Fred, please feel free to coment on the deceipt of the Tories in what they did in taking the UK into Europe without asking the people first.
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Post by Guest on Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:34 pm

As I am not a Tory voter and Scotland is a virtual Tory free country, I am not qualified to comment on Tory promises. However I know a bit about the disgraced Liebour party and can confirm that they renaged on their promise to allow a referendum, where the people of the UK could express their views on a treaty allowing Further European Integration. This integration being to the detriment of the UK..

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Post by Irn Bru on Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:53 pm

fred bloggs wrote:As I am not a Tory voter and Scotland is a virtual Tory free country, I am not qualified to comment on Tory promises. However I know a bit about the disgraced Liebour party and can confirm that they renaged on their promise to allow a referendum, where the people of the UK could express their views on a treaty allowing Further European Integration. This integration being to the detriment of the UK..

You could have done a little research but never vmind. I'll try and help bring you up to speed on the subject being discussed.

Ted Heath promised during the 1970 general elction campaign that further European integration would not happen “except with the full-hearted consent of the Parliaments and peoples of the new member countries.” That was to support the Tory manifesto that stated that the sole commitment was to negotiate; no more, no less

Here is the extract from their 1970 general election manifesto that said that...

If we can negotiate the right terms, we believe that it would be in the long-term interest of the British people for Britain to join the European Economic Community, and that it would make a major contribution to both the prosperity and the security of our country. The opportunities are immense. Economic growth and a higher standard of living would result from having a larger market.

But we must also recognise the obstacles. There would be short-term disadvantages in Britain going into the European Economic Community which must be weighed against the long-term benefits. Obviously there is a price we would not be prepared to pay. Only when we negotiate will it be possible to determine whether the balance is a fair one, and in the interests of Britain.

Our sole commitment is to negotiate; no more, no less. As the negotiations proceed we will report regularly through Parliament to the country.

A Conservative Government would not be prepared to recommend to Parliament, nor would Members of Parliament approve, a settlement which was unequal or unfair. In making this judgement, Ministers and Members will listen to the views of their constituents and have in mind, as is natural and legitimate, primarily the effect of entry upon the standard of living of the individual citizens whom they represent.


Despite that he took us in without asking the people.

Does that help?
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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:45 am

Very neat side step I/B. BUT - We all know the history of this country joining the common market to boost trade among the member states. What you have not alluded to is Liebour's traiterous changes to the common market arrangement, where they, led by the disgraced Bliar, signed away our sovereignty and made our country and laws subservient to those of Germany and France when those countries set up the united states of Europe. Most of us were happy enought with the old common market agreements, but the traiterous Liebour party and their supporters wanted to destroy British independence and our ability to make our own laws by signing up to the treaties which resulted in just that.

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Post by Irn Bru on Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:47 pm

fred bloggs wrote:Very neat side step I/B. BUT - We all know the history of this country joining the common market to boost trade among the member states. What you have not alluded to is Liebour's traiterous changes to the common market arrangement, where they, led by the disgraced Bliar, signed away our sovereignty and made our country and laws subservient to those of Germany and France when those countries set up the united states of Europe. Most of us were happy enought with the old common market agreements, but the traiterous Liebour party and their supporters wanted to destroy British independence and our ability to make our own laws by signing up to the treaties which resulted in just that.

That was not a sidestep, Fred. You said you were not qualified to comment on Tory promises so I went and gathered the information for you. That information is factual and to the point and the extract I gave you was straight from the 1970 Tory general election manifesto.

As for the rest of your post, well that is incorrect as well. and what you blame Labour for is actually down to the Tories. You see, it was the Tories that signed this country up to The Single European Act. That's the Act that actually established the European Union and all that went with it.

Next up they signed this country up to The Maastricht Treaty and that was the Act that did the real damage as it expanded the role of the European Parliament. and it also introduced key goals part of which included giving the following rights to people who were citizens of the member states.

- the right to circulate and reside freely in the Community;
- the right to vote and to stand as a candidate for European and municipal elections in the State in which he or she resides;
- the right to protection by the diplomatic or consular authorities of a Member State other than the citizen's Member State of origin on the territory of a third country in which the state of origin is not represented;n
- the right to petition the European Parliament and to submit a complaint to the Ombudsman.

You see Fred, this is where the treachery lies and is the reason why we are flooded with foreigners who can come here at their will and there is nothing that can be done to stop them. This is the reason why many laws are made in Brussels and are implemented here.

Of the 12 member states who were in the EU at that time almost all of them consulted their electorate. The Danes knocked it back but were given a second go. The French and the Belgians scraped it through and the Germans had to win a court battle to pass theirs. We however, never got a sniff at it and it was forced through parliament by the Tories despite polls showing at the time that almost 2/3s of the country didn't want it.

If you are a British citizen then whether you like it or not, this Act also conferred upon you the status of being a European citizen - congratulations.

Here are links to both these Treaties. PLease feel free to read them at your leisure and come back with any points contained within them that you may like to discuss further.

http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/institutional_affairs/treaties/treaties_singleact_en.htm

http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/institutional_affairs/treaties/treaties_maastricht_en.htm
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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:55 am

A well put together post Irn Bru. You are indeed unique among the Liebour voters. You have taken the trouble to do research. I disagree with a couple of points, but as I have also to agree with some other points and as I am unfamiliar with the ins and outs of Tory policy, I will leave this discussion to any Tory supporters who are members here.

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Post by Irn Bru on Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:14 pm

fred bloggs wrote:A well put together post Irn Bru. You are indeed unique among the Liebour voters. You have taken the trouble to do research. I disagree with a couple of points, but as I have also to agree with some other points and as I am unfamiliar with the ins and outs of Tory policy, I will leave this discussion to any Tory supporters who are members here.

There really isn't that many Tories kicking around here, Fred. Most of them are fed up with them and have jumped ship and will vote UKIP next time. That's the party that Cameron described as a bunch of fruitcakes.
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Post by Guest on Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:21 pm

I will put a hypothetical question to you Irn Bru. At the moment, in the London parliament, is there any real difference in policy among any party in the Lib/Lab/Con pact. To many people they are like a three headed snake. Same body, with three different heads. Nothing separates their ideas. Just their leaders faces are different

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Post by Irn Bru on Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:27 pm

fred bloggs wrote:I will put a hypothetical question to you Irn Bru. At the moment, in the London parliament, is there any real difference in policy among any party in the Lib/Lab/Con pact. To many people they are like a three headed snake. Same body, with three different heads. Nothing separates their ideas. Just their leaders faces are different

It might be different if we had more conviction politicians. Instead, we have elected MPs who just fall into line and do what they are told by the Whips and not in what they believe in or what they promised their constituents.

So we're stuck with what we have.

Did you favour AV?
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Post by Guest on Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:10 am

Hi Irn Bru. The idea of AV in theory seems good but in practice it does not work very well. The appointment of MP's under AV is more controlled by the whips and party leaders than with FPTP. I do agree with you that there is too much sheep like response by MP's to the orders of the whips and not enough MP's standing up to them and putting their own views and those of their constituents first. If there was more MP'S from the smaller parties also present in Westminster it might broaden the debates and effect the outcome of the votes.

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Post by Guest on Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:47 pm

Drinky wrote:You know full well we were promised a referendum. Squirm and spin all you like the political commentators at the time said it as it was.

That you still lie about this yourself speaks volumes about labour supporters. You would rather tell a lie even when the truth would serve you better.
well if you want broken promises drinky


Broken promise #01 No frontline cuts

Broken promise #02 Protecting the NHS budget

Broken promise #03 3,000 more police officers

Broken promise #04 Keeping VAT at 17.5%

Broken promise #05 Keeping the Future Jobs Fund

Broken promise #06 Keeping the Education Maintenance Allowances

Broken promise #07 Preserving tax credits for middle earners

Broken promise #08 Removing the "couple penalty"

Broken promise #09 Scrapping tuition fees

Broken promise #10 No bonuses for bank directors Cameron promised no bonuses over £2000 for Bankers Look how he lied and broke that promise. Check what he said on Conservative Party Website

Broken promise #11 & Cameron reneges on promise to provide 3,000 more midwives

Broken promise #12 Three more army battalions

Broken promise #13 Pupil Premium additional to the schools budget

Broken promise #14 Keeping Child Benefit universal

Broken promise #15 Stopping A&E and maternity closures

Broken promise #16 A Post Office Bank

Broken promise #17 No new nuclear power stations

Broken promise #18 Removing high marginal tax rates

Broken promise #19 No cuts to the Royal Navy

Broken promise #20 Automatic prison sentence for carrying a knife

Broken promise #21 Cutting rail fares each year

Broken promise #22 Keeping the Child Trust Fund for the poorest families

Broken promise #23 No more top down NHS reorganisations

Broken promise #24 No cuts to public spending this year

Broken Promise # 25 "You can read my lips. That is a promise from my heart."(Cameron in Opposition promising to look after the elderly, frail, poor and needy" and protect pensioners' benefits

Broken Promise #26 David Cameron breaks his promise that he would protect the vital Sure Start service More On Broken Sure Start Promise

Broken Promise #27 Conservative and Liberal Democrat pre-election promises to support the Labour government's promise of tax relief to Activision Blizzard, now the company is threatening to leave the UK.
Broken Promise #28 Jeremy Hunt and Ed Vaizey have not honoured pre-election commitments to the arts sector.

Broken Promise # 29 Government has broken a promise to troops about the "Military Covenant" Cameron promised would be enshrined in law.

Broken Promise # 30 Pensioners to lose up to £100 Winter Fuel Allowance

Broken Promise # 31 Tories to axe NHS funding by nearly £1billion – despite a vow to increase health spending

Broken Promise # 32 Tax credits and child benefit will be frozen from April

Broken Promise # 33 No top down reorganisation of the NHS and then introduced the biggest reforms since the conception of the NHS.

Broken Promise # 34 David Cameron is failing to meet his pre-election pledge to set up a UK Border Police Force

Broken Promise # 35 Hospital waiting times soar under the Tories -
DAVID Cameron’s pledge to protect the NHS unravelled even further when it was revealed hospital waiting times have soared. Damning new figures show the number of trusts failing to meet the 18-week deadline for patients to be seen after being referred by GPs has doubled in a year from 25 to 51.

Broken Promise # 36 DAVID Cameron was yesterday accused of breaking another election promise by doing nothing to tackle soaring energy prices.
The PM promised to give regulators more power, but failed to act this month as Scottish Power announced a £175-a-year price hike.
Labour said the PM had “sat on his hands while gas and electricity soared”.

Broken Promise # 37 Despite David Cameron's pledge to hold a 'bonfire of the quangos' thousands more bureaucrats have been recruited by the Tory government. At least 4,500 civil servants have been taken on since the election in May last year by Government departments and quangos – three times the number that have been handed compulsory redundancy notices


Broken Promise # 38 Immigration. David Cameron's "no ifs no buts" promise to reduce immigration to tens of thousands lays in tatters. It has been revealed that immigration as risen by 21% over the past year. When Cameron decided to use immigrants as an election weapon he was warned that his pledge was just lies, now we all know this, perhaps he will lay off using immigrants as political footballs. The number of people coming to the UK for more than a year, less the number leaving, hit 239,000, the second highest annual figure on record and the fourth highest figure for any 12-month period since records began.

Analysts and campaigners said it would make it "more difficult than ever" for the Government to fulfil its pledge to cut net migration to the tens of thousands by 2015.


all broken in less than a year of taking office ...more or less

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