Government creates £170m fund to help older patients leave NHS hospitals

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Government creates £170m fund to help older patients leave NHS hospitals

Post by Guest on Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:13 am

Councils will get £1m each to spend on social care to reduce the number of elderly patients occupying beds longer than needed.


Local councils and NHS primary care trusts will have to work together and agree on how the money should be spent on elderly care. Photograph: Paula Solloway /Alamy

The government will announce a further £170m funding for councils on Monday, to help them improve care and support for elderly people coming out of hospital.

The boost comes after a healthcare thinktank warned that the NHS stood no chance of hitting its £20bn efficiency savings target unless steps were taken to curb a rise in elderly patients occupying hospital beds longer than necessary.

Local government leaders welcome the one-off payment, which is to be spent over the next three months, but warn that the social care funding system cannot go on being patched up without fundamental reform.

Of the £170m total, £150m will be divided among the 152 councils with social care responsibilities and will be allocated through NHS primary care trusts, which must agree how the money should best be spent to ease pressure on hospitals.

The remaining £20m will be used to top up local funding pots for the disabled facilities grant, a means-tested award administered by councils to help with the cost of adaptations to enable people to continue living at home.

All the cash is said to be coming from in-year savings in the Department of Health budget. The £20m extra for the disabled facilities grant is being passed to the Department for Communities and Local Government.

Paul Burstow, the care services minister, said: "It is absolutely crucial that the NHS and local authorities work together to help people leave hospital when they are ready. The benefits are on all sides – patients get to go home with the support they and their families need, and hospital beds are freed up."

Latest official figures show that 4,200 people are taking up hospital beds when ready for discharge. With beds costing about £200 a night, the King's Fund thinktank has warned that this will prevent the NHS achieving its target of 4% annual savings, amounting to £20bn by 2015.

According to the thinktank, more than 70% of hospital beds are occupied by patients admitted as emergencies and one in 10 of them, typically aged over 64, stay for longer than two weeks.

Peter Hay, president of the Association of Directors of Adult Social Services, said the funding boost would be put to use within days. Equally welcome was the signal it sent that the government understood the need for the health, social care and housing systems to work as one.

However, Hay added: "Pleased as we are with this helpful initiative, directors are well aware that it is a small, valuable contribution to solving a problem which goes far deeper."

Ministers are due to decide within the next two months whether to follow the recommendations of a commission led by the economist Andrew Dilnot, calling for radical reform of the funding of long-term care for elderly and disabled people.

The Treasury is known to be wary of the cost, which is an initial £1.7bn a year.

The health secretary, Andrew Lansley, said: "Savings have been made in the Department of Health's budget which we are investing to help people leave hospital as quickly as they can, when they are ready, and to receive support at home. Older people often need particular support after a spell in hospital to settle back into their homes, recover their strength and regain their independence. This money will enable the NHS and social care to work better together for the benefit of patients. This additional investment for health and care services is the result of determination to deliver savings, maintain quality and invest in services that matter to patients and their families and carers during the critical winter season."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jan/02/fund-old-patients-leave-nhs-hospitals



This is an issue which clearly isn't going to be solved overnight with more people living longer. Living longer is great, provided that the support is there to help when it's needed. The elderly are sadly all too often forgotten Sad

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Post by Guest on Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:27 pm

What about all those who cannot continue to live in their own homes?
Will they be once again shipped off to run for profit old folks homes and left to sit in their own shit because the places are run on a shoe string to maximise profits?
Care in the community, another Tory con foisted on the vulnerable.

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Post by Guest on Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:18 pm

Nems Again wrote:What about all those who cannot continue to live in their own homes?
Will they be once again shipped off to run for profit old folks homes and left to sit in their own shit because the places are run on a shoe string to maximise profits?
Care in the community, another Tory con foisted on the vulnerable.

Agreed Nems, this is a sticking plaster on a broken leg, short term ideas again. What is needed is good homes for those who can't look after themselves and proper support for those who can manage to stay at home. My Dad asked for help to bath my Mum, just once a week. The District Nurses told him they don't do that anymore, because they are 'nurses', not home helps!!!!!!!!!! There is a lady in the village I know who is an ex District Nurse, about my age, I introduced her to my Mum, they liked each other, and she is going to help twice a week and my Dad is paying her for her time. Luckily they have a walk in bath and she doesn't need lifting etc and they had a stair lift put in years ago. Next month my Dad is 90 and my Mum 87, and they get no help at all. Its very lucky my Dad can do as much as he does.

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Post by Guest on Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:33 pm

sassy1261 wrote:

Agreed Nems, this is a sticking plaster on a broken leg, short term ideas again. What is needed is good homes for those who can't look after themselves and proper support for those who can manage to stay at home. My Dad asked for help to bath my Mum, just once a week. The District Nurses told him they don't do that anymore, because they are 'nurses', not home helps!!!!!!!!!! There is a lady in the village I know who is an ex District Nurse, about my age, I introduced her to my Mum, they liked each other, and she is going to help twice a week and my Dad is paying her for her time. Luckily they have a walk in bath and she doesn't need lifting etc and they had a stair lift put in years ago. Next month my Dad is 90 and my Mum 87, and they get no help at all. Its very lucky my Dad can do as much as he does.

Thats exactly the problem, people like your parents who try and help themselves get abandoned. Those who have no family to help get left, as my Nana used to say 'to good and good neighbours'. Its horrible isn't it? We are being pushed back into the horrible me me me, sod the vulnerable, greed culture.

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Post by Guest on Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:43 pm

Nems Again wrote:

Thats exactly the problem, people like your parents who try and help themselves get abandoned. Those who have no family to help get left, as my Nana used to say 'to good and good neighbours'. Its horrible isn't it? We are being pushed back into the horrible me me me, sod the vulnerable, greed culture.

Like the 80's, it was horrendous, I worked with young surveyors at the time in a very up market company, they even had a champagne club! I was in charge of the upkeep of all the District Offices, over 80 of them, one of which was in Northern Ireland. One day they were going on about this champagne club, and I was on the phone to Northern Ireland, the office there had been blown up, and I was arranging temporary accommodation, trying to sort out office equipment, insurance problems etc etc with a District Manager who was in bits (nearly literally poor sod). I put the phone down and gave them such a mouthful, I was so angry, they knew I had been talking to him and they did not even ask how he was, their champagne club and how much they made that week was so much more important!

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Post by Guest on Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:51 pm

sassy1261 wrote:

Like the 80's, it was horrendous, I worked with young surveyors at the time in a very up market company, they even had a champagne club! I was in charge of the upkeep of all the District Offices, over 80 of them, one of which was in Northern Ireland. One day they were going on about this champagne club, and I was on the phone to Northern Ireland, the office there had been blown up, and I was arranging temporary accommodation, trying to sort out office equipment, insurance problems etc etc with a District Manager who was in bits (nearly literally poor sod). I put the phone down and gave them such a mouthful, I was so angry, they knew I had been talking to him and they did not even ask how he was, their champagne club and how much they made that week was so much more important!

Yup whilst clutching their filofax and twanging their Gordon Gecko braces

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Post by Guest on Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:54 pm

Nems Again wrote:

Yup whilst clutching their filofax and twanging their Gordon Gecko braces

Thats the ones!

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Post by Guest on Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:57 pm

sassy1261 wrote:

Thats the ones!

I spent the eighties working in offshore finance I was surrounded by the cut throat bastards!

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Post by Guest on Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:03 pm

Nems Again wrote:

I spent the eighties working in offshore finance I was surrounded by the cut throat bastards!

I bet they are loving what is happening now!

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Post by Guest on Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:05 pm

sassy1261 wrote:

I bet they are loving what is happening now!

Quite a few I know got all but wiped out. Lost millions on the share save schemes. Shame.

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Post by Guest on Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:53 pm

Nems Again wrote:

Thats exactly the problem, people like your parents who try and help themselves get abandoned. Those who have no family to help get left, as my Nana used to say 'to good and good neighbours'. Its horrible isn't it? We are being pushed back into the horrible me me me, sod the vulnerable, greed culture.

Don't get ill and for goodness sake don't get old. It scares the life out of me affraid




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