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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:09 pm

Jawbone Find Leads To Human History Rethink
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The bone fragment was unearthed in a Devon cave in 1927
6:14pm UK, Wednesday November 02, 2011

Thomas Moore, science correspondent

Modern humans were living in England as long as 44,000 years ago - far earlier than previously thought, according to new research.
Analysis of a jawbone fragment discovered in a Devon cave suggests our ancestors spread rapidly across Europe during the last Ice Age, and coexisted with Neanderthals for millennia.



The piece of upper jaw, containing three teeth, was unearthed in 1927 in Kent's Cavern in Torquay.

A previous attempt to date the bone indicated that it was 35,000 years old.

But there were doubts about the reliability of that date because of the glue used to conserve the bone after it was excavated.



An international team of scientists has now carbon-dated animal bones found near the jaw, at a similar depth below the cave surface.



An earlier attempt to date the bone indicated it was around 35,000 years old

They conclude in the journal Nature that the fragment is between 44,000 and 41,000 years old.

Professor Tom Higham, deputy director of Oxford University's radiocarbon accelerator unit said: "We believe this piece of jawbone is the earliest direct evidence we have of modern humans in north western Europe, at a site at the very outermost limits of the initial dispersal of our species."

CT scans confirmed the teeth came from an anatomically modern human, not a Neanderthal.

Homo sapiens are believed to have moved into Europe around 42,000 to 44,000 years ago, after migrating out of Africa.

They left tools and ornaments described as "Aurignacian" but until now none of the human remains associated with them have been older than 39,000 to 41,000 years.

Dr Higham said: "[This] tells us a great deal about the dispersal speed of our species across Europe during the last Ice Age.

"It also means that early humans coexisted with Neanderthals in this part of the world, something that a number of researchers have doubted."

Neanderthals, an anatomically different human sub-species, lived in Europe around from 500,000 years ago but became extinct soon after the appearance of Homo sapiens.


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Post by victorismyhero on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:20 pm

sassy1261 wrote:Jawbone Find Leads To Human History Rethink
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The bone fragment was unearthed in a Devon cave in 1927
6:14pm UK, Wednesday November 02, 2011

Thomas Moore, science correspondent

Modern humans were living in England as long as 44,000 years ago - far earlier than previously thought, according to new research.
Analysis of a jawbone fragment discovered in a Devon cave suggests our ancestors spread rapidly across Europe during the last Ice Age, and coexisted with Neanderthals for millennia.



The piece of upper jaw, containing three teeth, was unearthed in 1927 in Kent's Cavern in Torquay.

A previous attempt to date the bone indicated that it was 35,000 years old.

But there were doubts about the reliability of that date because of the glue used to conserve the bone after it was excavated.



An international team of scientists has now carbon-dated animal bones found near the jaw, at a similar depth below the cave surface.



An earlier attempt to date the bone indicated it was around 35,000 years old

They conclude in the journal Nature that the fragment is between 44,000 and 41,000 years old.

Professor Tom Higham, deputy director of Oxford University's radiocarbon accelerator unit said: "We believe this piece of jawbone is the earliest direct evidence we have of modern humans in north western Europe, at a site at the very outermost limits of the initial dispersal of our species."

CT scans confirmed the teeth came from an anatomically modern human, not a Neanderthal.

Homo sapiens are believed to have moved into Europe around 42,000 to 44,000 years ago, after migrating out of Africa.

They left tools and ornaments described as "Aurignacian" but until now none of the human remains associated with them have been older than 39,000 to 41,000 years.

Dr Higham said: "[This] tells us a great deal about the dispersal speed of our species across Europe during the last Ice Age.

"It also means that early humans coexisted with Neanderthals in this part of the world, something that a number of researchers have doubted."

Neanderthals, an anatomically different human sub-species, lived in Europe around from 500,000 years ago but became extinct soon after the appearance of Homo sapiens.


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Post by victorismyhero on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:21 pm

and they are going to dna the bones...and if you aint related to it in direct line of descent...the bnp is gonna get you........
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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:25 pm

victorismyhero wrote:except for wholelottacrap and vod


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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:27 pm

victorismyhero wrote:and they are going to dna the bones...and if you aint related to it in direct line of descent...the bnp is gonna get you........

I bet Mr D will say he can trace his line back that far! Twisted Evil Rolling Eyes Rolling

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Post by victorismyhero on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:36 pm

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I bet Mr D will say he can trace his line back that far! Twisted Evil Rolling Eyes Rolling
probably .......pure and undiluted....
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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:43 pm

victorismyhero wrote:probably .......pure and undiluted....

Whenever they talk about 'the indigenous' I always think of a lump of rock! (Yep, know it igneous!)

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Post by victorismyhero on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:46 pm

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Whenever they talk about 'the indigenous' I always think of a lump of rock! (Yep, know it igneous!)
Strangely enough...i think of pygmies with blowpipes and loincloths......
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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:48 pm

victorismyhero wrote:Strangely enough...i think of pygmies with blowpipes and loincloths......

You have met them in real life then! Shocked Laughing

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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:57 pm

Keep going you two....I'm enjoying this thread...

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Post by victorismyhero on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:58 pm

Yeah...and their neanderthal edl "minders" ugh grunt snortle was about as much as i could gain from them......
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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:01 pm

victorismyhero wrote:Yeah...and their neanderthal edl "minders" ugh grunt snortle was about as much as i could gain from them......

Have to confess,you got the thanks by mistake because it is on the end, but you deserved it anyway.

Ug grunt snortle - they were in a conversational mood then! Nomally there is something they want to look at and they mutter 'Mus see, Mus See', their volcabulary is improving, wonder who is teaching them?

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Post by victorismyhero on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:07 pm

Probably Dr Cornelius Rolling
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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:11 pm

victorismyhero wrote:Probably Dr Cornelius Rolling

Are we not getting out time phasing out here, wasn't Planet of the Apes, after we set of the bomb, not while we were still in caves? Nice idea though!

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Post by victorismyhero on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:12 pm

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Have to confess,you got the thanks by mistake because it is on the end, but you deserved it anyway.

Ug grunt snortle - they were in a conversational mood then! Nomally there is something they want to look at and they mutter 'Mus see, Mus See', their volcabulary is improving, wonder who is teaching them?
I thought That was their collective warning bark on seeing someone who is not white.......
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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:45 pm

victorismyhero wrote:I thought That was their collective warning bark on seeing someone who is not white.......

I'd noticed that, doesn't all that hair give them trouble recognising darker skins brothern though!

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Post by victorismyhero on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:47 pm

since most of em cant see beyond their eye ridges I really cant say.......
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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:49 pm

victorismyhero wrote:since most of em cant see beyond their eye ridges I really cant say.......

Perhaps thats why they grab and push, so they can look under the hair!

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Post by victorismyhero on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:52 pm

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Perhaps thats why they grab and push, so they can look under the hair!
A thought crossed my mind there sassy...that i'm not going to give voice to Embarassed Embarassed but you could well be right....now after this thread watch the other resident RW-ers throw bricks at me...claiming I'm a closet lefty.........
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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:54 pm

victorismyhero wrote:A thought crossed my mind there sassy...that i'm not going to give voice to Embarassed Embarassed but you could well be right....now after this thread watch the other resident RW-ers throw bricks at me...claiming I'm a closet lefty.........

Get ready to duck!

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Post by victorismyhero on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:55 pm

sassy1261 wrote:

Get ready to duck!
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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:57 pm

victorismyhero wrote:quack

Tut tut, us moderators not keep to the thread title, smack smack! Oh, you said quack, not smack Embarassed Shocked

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Post by victorismyhero on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:57 pm

AND TO ALL STUDENTS OF FORUMS......The above is an object lesson in how to divert and ruin a perfectly good thread Rolling
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victorismyhero wrote:AND TO ALL STUDENTS OF FORUMS......The above is an object lesson in how to divert and ruin a perfectly good thread Rolling


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