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Post by Guest on Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:23 pm

A Sussex council has threatened to cancel a village hall's rate subsidy if it hosts a speech by British National Party (BNP) leader Nick Griffin.

Mr Griffin is due to speak at a meeting at Baldslow Memorial Hall in St Leonards on Sunday.

Hastings Borough Council said it was "contrary to the interests of the community" and councillors voted to withdraw the hall's rate relief.

The BNP has accused the authority of blocking free speech.

Leader of the labour run council, Jeremy Birch, said: "I can't agree that Hastings people should be subsidising a charity that's prepared to provide a platform to someone who is so completely opposed to the community harmony philosophy of this local authority."

'Politically motivated'
The authority has written to the people who run the hall in St Leonards telling them they will have to pay back £376 they received as a charity in rate relief if Mr Griffin's speech goes ahead.

It has also written to the charity commission to check whether their guidelines allow the hall to host the meeting.

The people who run Baldslow Memorial Hall have declined to comment on the issue.

Carlos Cortiglia, of the BNP, said the council's actions were an attack on democracy.

He added: "It's a natural right that we all have, whatever our ideas we all have to be heard and for other people to hear what we think.

"If they agree they will support us if they don't agree they will not support us."

Free speech campaigner Padraig Reidy also criticised Hastings Borough Council.

He said: "This move is very clearly politically motivated and while the BNP is an organisation that has very few supporters in this country they do still have the right to free expression and the council should not be interfering with that right."


From the BBC News site.

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Post by Guest on Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:25 pm

Good on Hastings Borough council!

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Post by Guest on Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:41 pm

Just saw this at the bottom of the news story!

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Post by victorismyhero on Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:08 pm

Compass wrote:Good on Hastings Borough council!

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so i guess compass, that you are against free speech, unless of course it promotes what YOU want to hear.
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Post by Guest on Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:37 pm

victorismyhero wrote:

so i guess compass, that you are against free speech, unless of course it promotes what YOU want to hear.

I am in full support of Hastings Borough council! Cool

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Post by victorismyhero on Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:40 pm

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I am in full support of Hastings Borough council! Cool

then of course, you are just as bad as thebnp...the other side of the coin so to speak...remember....those who fight with monsters, should see to it that they do not thereby a monster become.....I can see your tentacles growing compass affraid
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Post by Guest on Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:42 pm

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then of course, you are just as bad as thebnp...the other side of the coin so to speak...remember....those who fight with monsters, should see to it that they do not thereby a monster become.....I can see your tentacles growing compass affraid

How affraid You would accuse Hastings borough council of being like the BNP! Rolling Eyes

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Post by Guest on Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:47 pm

What makes up Hastings borough council? Aren't they all elected members, from different parties etc?

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Post by Guest on Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:51 pm

Hastings Borough Council Election Results


Published on Friday 7 May 2010 15:45

Click here for the full results from each ward as and when we get them.

Seats already declared:

Castle:

Lee Clark, Labour, 1,226.

Graeme Williams, Tory, 627.

Colin Dormer, Lib Dem, 598.

Conquest:

Eve Martin, Con, 1,461.

David Baker, Lab, 741.

Anne Gallop, Lib Dem, 551.

Braybrooke:

Godfrey Daniel, Lab: 1,360.

Amanda Charlesworth, Tory: 702

Oliver Maloney, Lib Dem: 432.

Gensing:

Andrew Cartwright, Lab, 1,095

Rod Lee, Con, 682.

Chris Benner, Lib Dem, 573.

Central St Leonards:

Jeremy Birch, Lab: 1,123.

Habibah Anwar Bhatti, Con: 523.

Paul Smith, Lib Dem: 447.

Ashdown:

John Wilson, Con: 1,568.

Terri Dowling, Lab: 867.

Alan Roscoe, Lib Dem: 625.

Baird:

Terry Fullthrop, Con: 829.

Mike Turner, Lab: 889.

Susan Tait, Lib Dem, 359

Hollington:

Emily Westley, Lab: 734

Bruce Dowling, Lab: 844

Liam Atkins, Con: 707

Mark Charlesworth, Con: 631

kKennelly, Lib Dem: 328

Vaness Burton, Lib Dem 428

Victoria Britton, BNP: 217

Old Hastings:

John Hodges, Lab: 1,153

Stuart Padget, Con: 952

Stuart Murphy, Lib Dem: 811

Maze Hill:

Joy Waite, Con: 1,195

Ted Bacon, Lab: 759

Chris Dodwell, Lib Dem: 506

Silverhill:

Andrew Gurney, Con: 854

Nigel Sinden, Labour: 838

Christopher Beaumont, Lib Dem: 397

Steven Springthorpe, Ind: 252

Wishing Tree:

Alan Roberts, Lab: 1,051

Chris Pillow, Con: 772

Jane Wainwright, lib Dem: 465

Mick Turner, BNP: 134

Tressell:

Jay Kramer, Lab: 876

John Dawson, Con: 487

Charlene Floyd, Lib Dem: 401

Nick Prince, BNP: 147

West St Leonards:

Peter Finch, Con: 1,105

Ken Maitland, Lab: 830

Tony Seymour, Lib Dem: 542

St Helens:

Simon Corello, Con: 1,276

Michael Ward, Labour: 1,098

John Tunbridge, Lib Dem: 564

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Post by victorismyhero on Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:51 pm

Compass wrote:

How affraid You would accuse Hastings borough council of being like the BNP! Rolling Eyes

because both you and they would deny the bnp (a bona fide political party) the right to freedom of speech, If they indulge in hate speech at one of these events, I'm sure there are enough "moles" from hate not hope about to make sure everyone knows, and a sucessful, rather than simply malicious, prosecution can be brought, If they dont, whats the problem.....A local council does NOT have the right to act in such a blatently anti democratic manner.....Its called extremism...exactly the charge YOU level against the BNP.....
No I dont accuse Hastings council of being like the bnp...i say they are the opposite side....intolerance rules only THIS time its leftie liberalist intolerance...but thats ok isnt it....
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Post by Guest on Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:59 pm

victorismyhero wrote:

because both you and they would deny the bnp (a bona fide political party) the right to freedom of speech, If they indulge in hate speech at one of these events, I'm sure there are enough "moles" from hate not hope about to make sure everyone knows, and a sucessful, rather than simply malicious, prosecution can be brought, If they dont, whats the problem.....A local council does NOT have the right to act in such a blatently anti democratic manner.....Its called extremism...exactly the charge YOU level against the BNP.....
No I dont accuse Hastings council of being like the bnp...i say they are the opposite side....intolerance rules only THIS time its leftie liberalist intolerance...but thats ok isnt it....

No say for the far right and their message of vile hate and divisive intentions IMO

The British electorate has rejected them since to 70's! GOOD! Razz

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Post by victorismyhero on Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:06 am

Compass wrote:

No say for the far right and their message of vile hate and divisive intentions IMO

The British electorate has rejected them since to 70's! GOOD! Razz

I would argue that with you...better for them to say out loud what they are...then let the electorate decide.......Not allowing them a say is firstly wrong, since by doing so, you lay yourself open to charges of "double standards" (which would be true) secondly, it makes you as bad as them...(also true) and thirdly It actually helps them because they can spread the word "underground " so to speak.
Rather like law...yiou either acceot democracy...warts and all or not....if you do, then you have to accept lifes little irritations....if you DONT, and clearly you and hastings council do not.....the god help us all.
It is but one tiny step from where you stand on this to a one party state, with all dissent sending you to the gulags...or a bullet in the back of the head.....hmmm...where Have i heard that BEFORE Read ........STALINISTS???
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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:17 am

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I would argue that with you...better for them to say out loud what they are...then let the electorate decide.......Not allowing them a say is firstly wrong, since by doing so, you lay yourself open to charges of "double standards" (which would be true) secondly, it makes you as bad as them...(also true) and thirdly It actually helps them because they can spread the word "underground " so to speak.
Rather like law...yiou either acceot democracy...warts and all or not....if you do, then you have to accept lifes little irritations....if you DONT, and clearly you and hastings council do not.....the god help us all.
It is but one tiny step from where you stand on this to a one party state, with all dissent sending you to the gulags...or a bullet in the back of the head.....hmmm...where Have i heard that BEFORE Read ........STALINISTS???

If the BNP/EDL go underground and try to become a terror organization, as i fear that, that is what they are becoming. Then they will be treated in the same way that radical terror groups in Islam are treated (i think this is already happening)
The security services and the police have done much to prevent further attacks by radical Islamists, they will do the same with the scourge of the BNP/EDL cheers
You don't give terrorist and extremist pigs like that a voice! Cool

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Post by victorismyhero on Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:26 am

Compass wrote:

If the BNP/EDL go underground and try to become a terror organization, as i fear that, that is what they are becoming. Then they will be treated in the same way that radical terror groups in Islam are treated (i think this is already happening)
The security services and the police have done much to prevent further attacks by radical Islamists, they will do the same with the scourge of the BNP/EDL cheers
You don't give terrorist and extremist pigs like that a voice! Cool

If they become a terrorist organisation then yes...the law will deal with them...untill then they are a bona fide political party...and thus subject to all the rights, including the right to have their voice heard as any other party. any deviation from this makes you no better, since you are carring out one of the key tenets of the extremist....the destruction of freedom of thought, opinion and speech....a key part I beleive of the HRA.
do you now also deny the HRA? your tentacles are growing longer...... Dizzy
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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:33 am

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If they become a terrorist organisation then yes...the law will deal with them...untill then they are a bona fide political party...and thus subject to all the rights, including the right to have their voice heard as any other party. any deviation from this makes you no better, since you are carring out one of the key tenets of the extremist....the destruction of freedom of thought, opinion and speech....a key part I beleive of the HRA.
do you now also deny the HRA? your tentacles are growing longer...... Dizzy

They aren't really a political party, since they have no members elected to the UK parliament! They are a political fringe group.
...A pressure group really, that has been putting on pressure for decades and have never got anywhere!
No say! Not ever! Cool

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Post by Ding Dong on Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:14 am

lol! How true that pic is!!!

I found this image on Google:



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Ding Dong wrote: lol! How true that pic is!!!

I found this image on Google:



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Of course, you and I would have to compete for the role of:



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Ding Dong wrote:

Of course, you and I would have to compete for the role of:



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Alternatively, one of us could be:


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Ding Dong wrote: lol! How true that pic is!!!

I found this image on Google:



lol!

BNP 16. Fellows like you don't grow from trees; they swing from them.

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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:21 am

Ding Dong wrote:

Alternatively, one of us could be:


Who could that be? lol!

Mr Benn was fab! Cool

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Post by Ding Dong on Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:22 am

Ding Dong wrote:

Of course, you and I would have to compete for the role of:



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That, by the way, is Mr Happy...and not:



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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:30 am

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That, by the way, is Mr Happy...and not:



affraid lol! lol! lol!



Ming Campbell!

The wishy washy Liberal that was never PM! Cool

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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:37 am

These wishy washy liberals got in bed with the Tories! From reading recent comments from certain wishy washy liberals it would seem that nothing has really changed!

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