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NEW BRITISH FASCISM: Rise of the British National Party

Post by Guest on Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:53 pm

BOOK REVIEW
‘NEW BRITISH FASCISM: Rise of the British National Party’ (Routledge)
By Matthew J. Goodwin

This book was published a few months ago. The author, Matt Goodwin, is a Doctor in the School of Politics and International Relations at the University of Nottingham. He is a regular ‘talking head’ on news and current affairs TV programs when ‘far right’ politics is under discussion. He seems to have made a career decision to specialise in this field and become the ‘resident expert’.

In my opinion Matt Goodwin shows more perception and understands the issues involved better than most of his rivals or predecessors. He has taken the time to interview many members. I suspect he has an element of empathy with the aims if not the means by which organised nationalism has gone about realising these aims. Perhaps the hours of interviews that he has undertaken has had a Stockholm Syndrome effect.

Incidentally for those put off by the title ‘New British Fascism’, I suspect it was imposed by the publishers as part of a ‘shock-horror’ marketing strategy to attract readers. There is precious little fascism spoken of within – Mussolini barely gets a mention!

Goodwin interviewed a large number of BNP members around the time of the European Elections in 2009 and before. He is the first researcher I have ever given an interview to. I have never previously been interviewed about the background to the 1993 Millwall victory for example. I remember my interview was conducted in a pub beer garden sunny afternoon on in Loughton, with two other people who gave shorter recorded interviews first.

I recognise some of what I said in the book and it is an interesting game trying to work out who the other contributors are. They are given pseudonyms such as ‘Pam’ (one I worked out), ‘Peter’, ‘Martin’, ‘Simon’, ‘Clive’ (no not that one), ‘Chris’ and ‘John’.

The book’s central theme is that the BNP has made itself relevant to a distinct segment of British society which has provided the BNP with a secure support base. In other words the support gained by the BNP is not likely to be transitory in nature. For the first time ever a ‘far right’ party has been able to establish such a foundation.

CAN THIS FOUNDATION BE BUILT UPON?

The book’s analysis paints a less rosy picture so far as that is concerned.

But what makes up the BNP’s constituency?

The book is full of statistical analysis and surveys. They somewhat break up the narrative, but I guess the author wanted to show that he had empirical data to back up his claims.

The BNP attracts people with a similar social profile, whose concern about immigration is high and who are dissatisfied with the main parties. That is no great shock.

What is that social profile?

The surveys tend to imply that it is people who are from more deprived and less well educated backgrounds. Here are some examples of the findings:

insecure citizens who feel left behind amid rapid and destabilizing socio-economic change.

rather than recruiting support from across society the party is appealing primarily to ‘angry white men’ who are socially distinct; they are older and economically insecure working-class men who have low levels of education and are located in particular regions of the country.

the party is rallying citizens who feel their social positions or identities are under threat from immigration and rising ethno-cultural diversity.

the BNP continued to recruit most support among urban working-class areas where there were large numbers of manual workers, large Muslim communities and low education levels, though mainly in Pennine Lancashire, the Midlands and outer-east London.

However, while it is continuing to forge ties with socially distinct citizens who hold a specific set of attitudes, the BNP has proved unable to engineer a wider breakthrough.

Please note this is based on averages. We can all find exceptions to the rule.

Evidence is presented that showed that seven out of ten voters would never consider voting BNP. Even amongst people who were upset over immigration figures, a majority expressed hostility to the BNP. Outside of the constituency that the BNP has ‘made its own’, the brand is utterly toxic.

This perhaps explains why the BNP has never been able to break out of its small constituency. At the peak of the BNP’s popularity, under almost ideal conditions with widespread concern over asylum, anxiety over Muslim inspired terror attacks and the Parliamentary expenses scandal, the BNP only attracted 6.2% of the total vote in the 2009 European Elections when there was also a low 34% turnout.

Equivalent parties in Europe routinely poll much higher figures:

The Austrian Freedom Party frequently polls over 20%, as does the Vlaams Belang in Flanders, while Jobbik in Hungary and the Front National usually poll around 15% (when it does very badly the FN gets around the 6% mark).

There is an interesting table in the book that shows the main issues which motivate the voters of different parties in 2009. Those sampled could pick four issues.

For BNP voters, 87% picked immigration – against the average of 49%. For UKIP it was 76%. As UKIP polled 16.5% in the European Election their 74% comprised a lot more voters than those that supported the BNP on the immigration issue. In other words many more anti-immigration voters chose UKIP over the BNP.

Not only that - 57% of the Conservative voters chose immigration as a major issue and incredibly 34% of Labour voters said the same.

Roughly speaking, of the 49% for whom immigration was a major concern (and it was the second highest indicator behind the economy) it can be calculated that:

16% voted Conservative
12.5% voted UKIP
5.5% voted BNP
5.5% voted Labour
4.5% voted Lib Dem
5.0% voted for others.

At its peak the BNP attracted barely more anti immigration votes than Labour.

The reason for this is simply that the BNP has restricted its appeal to one small segment of society that also opposed immigration, rather than all sections of society that oppose immigration.

WHY IS THIS?

Part of the problem is that the segment that the BNP has attracted is not aspirational. No one looks to people from that background for inspiration. Non one aspires to be like them. People from other backgrounds, partly out of snobbishness, do not like to be associated with them.

That makes the BNP support base a difficult one to break out of.


http://eddybutler.blogspot.com/2011/07/rise-and-fall-of-british-national-party.html


Avery interesting article and well worth a read.

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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:44 pm

Read it Seren and totally agree with it!

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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:49 pm

You do fail to mention however, that Eddy Butler, is an ex-BNP member with an axe to grind, but why stop that making a good story! Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Rolling Eyes

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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:08 pm

MrDoodles wrote:You do fail to mention however, that Eddy Butler, is an ex-BNP member with an axe to grind, but why stop that making a good story! Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Rolling Eyes

But isn't he an EX BNP member because he can see what Griffin is doing wrong and Griffin is too arrogant to stand aside, not to mention the financial state he has got them in.

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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:11 pm

sassy1261 wrote:

But isn't he an EX BNP member because he can see what Griffin is doing wrong and Griffin is too arrogant to stand aside, not to mention the financial state he has got them in.

You could find disgruntled ex-members from ANY Political Party, it's only been posted as it's anti-BNP! Twisted Evil

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:24 am

It dosen't matter who wrote it MrD the article speaks truth. And until the BNP face up to the fact they DO alienate most voters with their views they can't ever hope to make inroads in mainstream politics.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:32 am

eilzel wrote:It dosen't matter who wrote it MrD the article speaks truth. And until the BNP face up to the fact they DO alienate most voters with their views they can't ever hope to make inroads in mainstream politics.

yes Eilzel

Staying on topic the article is very true. Many of the BNP's core members are white, working-class, middle aged losers who do nothing to persuade people to take the party seriously. Eddy Butler hits the nail on the head when he says that it is often these men who have job fears due to never having had a decent education.

The BNP had an ideal opportunity to change it's public image with many different demographics at one stage showing an interest but it chose to ignore this and plow on with some of the most revolting people in charge.

Signed their own death warrant.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:30 am

Seren wrote:

yes Eilzel

Staying on topic the article is very true. Many of the BNP's core members are white, working-class, middle aged losers who do nothing to persuade people to take the party seriously. Eddy Butler hits the nail on the head when he says that it is often these men who have job fears due to never having had a decent education.

The BNP had an ideal opportunity to change it's public image with many different demographics at one stage showing an interest but it chose to ignore this and plow on with some of the most revolting people in charge.

Signed their own death warrant.

Thanks for the character assassination Seren! lol!

If you know the history of Political Parties (which I'm sure you do) most Parties have problems when they start and have massive changes, all I say is just give them a chance, the LibLabCon have screwed over the people of this Country for the last 60 years, do you seriously think they could do any worse? Question

Even if they did, you could vote them out in 5 years! Twisted Evil

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:35 am

MrDoodles wrote:

Thanks for the character assassination Seren! lol!

If you know the history of Political Parties (which I'm sure you do) most Parties have problems when they start and have massive changes, all I say is just give them a chance, the LibLabCon have screwed over the people of this Country for the last 60 years, do you seriously think they could do any worse? Question

Even if they did, you could vote them out in 5 years! Twisted Evil

I couldn't give a chance to such people. They need to change the sort of uneducated idiots that they have running it. Which i doubt they will do anytime soon.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:44 am

Seren wrote:

I couldn't give a chance to such people. They need to change the sort of uneducated idiots that they have running it. Which i doubt they will do anytime soon.

That's your choice, but after reviewing what the LibLabCon have done to this Country and it's people over the last 60 years, I'm prepared to take the chance on them! Twisted Evil

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:59 am

MrDoodles wrote:

That's your choice, but after reviewing what the LibLabCon have done to this Country and it's people over the last 60 years, I'm prepared to take the chance on them! Twisted Evil

Take a chance on a party whose financial leader resigned because the leader had bankrupted the party? You would really have to be a whole box of sandwiches short of a picnic! Then you add in one of them being arrested because the leader said he was trying to assassinate him, and you would have to be fending of the white coated men knocking at the door.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:24 pm

I actually READ the article so can comment on it directly.

In previous decades nationalist parties used to sell books detailing the biological nature of racial differences. There were numerous titles available on intelligence testing and so forth. This still finds expression on the Facebook pages of too many BNP activists, candidates and officers, along with the inevitable text jokes that are passed around.

A more demanding intellectual rigour is required in order to articulate a line that will preserve our people without seeming to threaten others and does not appear to be unfair and unduly harsh. This should be obvious but the very fact that it has to be said in 2011 tells its own story.

This is a very strong point above.
Too many BNP candidates appear to have the intellectual capacity of a small fly and are seemingly incapable of keeping their racism in check.

It is these things which the BNP needs to address if they wish to attract more supporters than the ones I previously mentioned.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:09 pm

Seren wrote:I actually READ the article so can comment on it directly.



This is a very strong point above.
Too many BNP candidates appear to have the intellectual capacity of a small fly and are seemingly incapable of keeping their racism in check.

It is these things which the BNP needs to address if they wish to attract more supporters than the ones I previously mentioned.

I think it is totally the crux of the matter. There are so many times when they say it is not about race, then an overheard remark shows that it is. Immigration is a huge problem because we are a small island, we all know that, but the way it is handled is crucial, and that takes intelligence and a complete lack of bitterness for it to work, and the BNP seem to be incapable of doing that.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:13 pm

sassy1261 wrote:

Take a chance on a party whose financial leader resigned because the leader had bankrupted the party? You would really have to be a whole box of sandwiches short of a picnic! Then you add in one of them being arrested because the leader said he was trying to assassinate him, and you would have to be fending of the white coated men knocking at the door.

Do you know how much Liebour actually owe? Question

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:30 pm

MrDoodles wrote:

Do you know how much Liebour actually owe? Question

You don't get do you? The finances of a country are hugely complicated and every country has to borrow to survive. To put this complicated system in the hands of a party who have already shown they do not have a clue about finances, would be the equivalent of putting a gun to your own head. You would have to be totally brainless to even complemplate it.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:52 pm

sassy1261 wrote:

You don't get do you? The finances of a country are hugely complicated and every country has to borrow to survive. To put this complicated system in the hands of a party who have already shown they do not have a clue about finances, would be the equivalent of putting a gun to your own head. You would have to be totally brainless to even complemplate it.

Seconded.

It is also worth noting, in Labours defence, that most the money owed is due to bailing out the banks- we'd be in a worse state now if they hadn't done so.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:44 pm

sassy1261 wrote:

You don't get do you? The finances of a country are hugely complicated and every country has to borrow to survive. To put this complicated system in the hands of a party who have already shown they do not have a clue about finances, would be the equivalent of putting a gun to your own head. You would have to be totally brainless to even complemplate it.

So the Left keep telling us! Twisted Evil

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:44 pm

eilzel wrote:

Seconded.

It is also worth noting, in Labours defence, that most the money owed is due to bailing out the banks- we'd be in a worse state now if they hadn't done so.

Of course we would, because the Left say so! lol!

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:29 pm

MrDoodles wrote:

Of course we would, because the Left say so! lol!

You've nicely avoided the entire article by Butler so far.

Care to actually comment on it anytime soon.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:36 pm

MrDoodles wrote:

Of course we would, because the Left say so! lol!

So, would you let the BNP handle your money? Honest answer please.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:41 pm

Seren wrote:

You've nicely avoided the entire article by Butler so far.

Care to actually comment on it anytime soon.

Which bit of "ex-BNP member with an axe to grind" did you miss then? Question

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:42 pm

sassy1261 wrote:

So, would you let the BNP handle your money? Honest answer please.

I contribute as much as I can afford to support the Party, how about you? Question Question

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:43 pm

MrDoodles wrote:

I contribute as much as I can afford to support the Party, how about you? Question Question

That is not what I asked. I said WOULD YOU LET THE BNP HANDLE YOUR MONEY. By that I meant your own finances, would you trust them to deal with them properly.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:53 pm

sassy1261 wrote:

That is not what I asked. I said WOULD YOU LET THE BNP HANDLE YOUR MONEY. By that I meant your own finances, would you trust them to deal with them properly.

Well I'd trust them more than the LibLabCon, who seem hell bent on giving it away to every waif and stray in the World, rather than their own people, so yes!!! Twisted Evil

You seem under some mistaken impression that they are in the devil incarnate, but if you went to a local meeting, you would find people just like you staring back at you, who are just concerned what is happening to their Country! Twisted Evil

You also seem to forget that I was a Tory Party Member for 30 years and have seen the lies by Cameron to his people! Twisted Evil

I have only been a BNP member for just over 2 years, however, in that period, I have never found anything that they have said to be un-true, or for Nick to lie in any of the speeches that I have heard, so at this moment, I am taking them as I find them and despite what you might think, I have found them to be honourable people, with a true passion to turn back the tide in this Country, rather than the self-servers that are currently in ParLIAment, so until I find that I have been lied to or mis-led in any way, I have to speak as I find! Twisted Evil

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:02 pm

MrDoodles wrote:

Well I'd trust them more than the LibLabCon, who seem hell bent on giving it away to every waif and stray in the World, rather than their own people, so yes!!! Twisted Evil

You seem under some mistaken impression that they are in the devil incarnate, but if you went to a local meeting, you would find people just like you staring back at you, who are just concerned what is happening to their Country! Twisted Evil

You also seem to forget that I was a Tory Party Member for 30 years and have seen the lies by Cameron to his people! Twisted Evil

I have only been a BNP member for just over 2 years, however, in that period, I have never found anything that they have said to be un-true, or for Nick to lie in any of the speeches that I have heard, so at this moment, I am taking them as I find them and despite what you might think, I have found them to be honourable people, with a true passion to turn back the tide in this Country, rather than the self-servers that are currently in ParLIAment, so until I find that I have been lied to or mis-led in any way, I have to speak as I find! Twisted Evil

Perhaps I did not put is well enough. We all have our own money that we have to juggle. A political party has its own money that it has to juggle. What I meant was, in view of the way they have not been able to juggle their own money, would you think them financially astute enough to deal with YOUR finances, your personal everyday ones. It doesn't matter.

As for the second paragraph of your post, I cannot believe that a grown man, with life experience and a brain on his shoulders can be naive enough to believe that, but there you go, takes all sorts.

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