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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:13 pm

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I don't think teaching methods had anything to do with it. The fact was, that from the 80s onwards, women, even if they wanted to stay at home, could not afford to do so and had to work outside the home, even with small children. Lets face it, it was nearly always the mothers that read to the child, with the children, discussed what they had been doing at school, helped them with projects etc. They no longer had the time or the energy and the niceties of encouragement dropped by the wayside.

And why, in your opinion, did that happen sassy? Question Question

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:30 pm

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And why, in your opinion, did that happen sassy? Question Question

Oh, let me think, who was around in the 1980s promoting the 'me', 'me', 'me' society, where everyone had to have everything or they were nothing.

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:21 pm

Didn't any of you read my comments half way back up the page? Believe me folks, I talk from experience. If parents don't take the time or trouble to get to know the person inside their child, then that child may well turn out to be trouble. Teachers have enough trouble trying to teach the 3 R's as it used to be known. Their hands are tied by red tape, human rights, do-gooders control over how they should chastise a child. They haven't the time to get to know and encourage the potential within a child. Our society, or that of the Western World, has no time for such things as potential assessment. Just drum the lesson into 'em, give them some homework, stick them in front of a pc. Where is the encouragement in that? The real person inside is neglected.

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:35 pm

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Oh, let me think, who was around in the 1980s promoting the 'me', 'me', 'me' society, where everyone had to have everything or they were nothing.

And of course nothing to do with the start of Globalisation and destroying the manufacturing base in this Country, along with break-down of family values, brought about by the LW Students of the 1960's, entering positions of power within Society decrying the family unit! Evil or Very Mad Rolling Eyes

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:50 pm

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And of course nothing to do with the start of Globalisation and destroying the manufacturing base in this Country, along with break-down of family values, brought about by the LW Students of the 1960's, entering positions of power within Society decrying the family unit! Evil or Very Mad Rolling Eyes

You are quite right, nothing to do with it. It was not the start of globalisation that destroyed the manufacturing base, it was RW stupidity. Mad

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:52 pm

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You are quite right, nothing to do with it. It was not the start of globalisation that destroyed the manufacturing base, it was RW stupidity. Mad

And of course, yet again, completely nothing to do with LW indoctrination! lol! lol!

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:56 pm

stardesk wrote:Didn't any of you read my comments half way back up the page? Believe me folks, I talk from experience. If parents don't take the time or trouble to get to know the person inside their child, then that child may well turn out to be trouble. Teachers have enough trouble trying to teach the 3 R's as it used to be known. Their hands are tied by red tape, human rights, do-gooders control over how they should chastise a child. They haven't the time to get to know and encourage the potential within a child. Our society, or that of the Western World, has no time for such things as potential assessment. Just drum the lesson into 'em, give them some homework, stick them in front of a pc. Where is the encouragement in that? The real person inside is neglected.

I most certainly did read them Stardesk and agree, which is why I said the fact that women were forced out to work and no longer had the time that children require has made so much difference. I have first hand experience of time without my parent's time, as my Mum was hospitalised with TB for over two years when I was 9. My Dad being in the RAF, would not normally get every weekend off. In order to do so to visit my Mum, he worked such long hours in the week my brother and I hardly ever saw him. It made a huge difference to me, expecially as I went to Wymondham College afterwards (you probably know it) which is boarding, so I did not have them behind me there either. The saving grace in some ways was that we had 'homework' that was overseen by teachers, so in that way we had to keep our noses to the grindstone. It was not what you would call 'encouraging' though.

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:58 pm

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And of course, yet again, completely nothing to do with LW indoctrination! lol! lol!

I don't think Maggie had much left wing indoctrination

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:59 pm

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I don't think Maggie had much left wing indoctrination

The Left Wing rot, set into the family unit, long before 1979! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:15 pm

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The Left Wing rot, set into the family unit, long before 1979! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

UK MARRIAGE RATES
For every 1,000 unmarried men, there are 1950:58 1960:62 1970:81 1980:60 1990:42 2000:28 marriages per year
For every 1,000 unmarried women, there are 1950:43 1960:46 1970:61 1980:48 1990:36 2000:26 marriages per year

http://www.2-in-2-1.co.uk/ukstats.html

Doesn't hold up to scrutiny does it?

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Post by victorismyhero on Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:36 pm

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UK MARRIAGE RATES
For every 1,000 unmarried men, there are 1950:58 1960:62 1970:81 1980:60 1990:42 2000:28 marriages per year
For every 1,000 unmarried women, there are 1950:43 1960:46 1970:61 1980:48 1990:36 2000:26 marriages per year

http://www.2-in-2-1.co.uk/ukstats.html

Doesn't hold up to scrutiny does it?

Superfluos statistics, meaningless. the number of marriages per head of population is not the point.....what about family breakdowns., and, more importantly, but of course possibly unmeasurable, the number of "partial" failures, where parents have kids, but not the skills to bring em up, due to the failings of firstly THEIR parents to teach em parenting and secondly the abject failure of the educational system to teach life skills like home economics etc ?
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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:51 pm

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Superfluos statistics, meaningless. the number of marriages per head of population is not the point.....what about family breakdowns., and, more importantly, but of course possibly unmeasurable, the number of "partial" failures, where parents have kids, but not the skills to bring em up, due to the failings of firstly THEIR parents to teach em parenting and secondly the abject failure of the educational system to teach life skills like home economics etc ?

Not disputing that in any way Victor, Mr D was blaming everything on the LW, I was pointing out that the rot set in from the 1980s, where women were forced out to work because the family could not survive without two pay packets and children no longer had the attention they had had before. From then on, family breakups became worse because of the strain and children's behavious became worse because of the inattention. I should know, I was one of them. I happily stayed at home with my children and we had a lovely time until I had to go out to work to supplement our income, as it was no longer possible to run a family on one. From then on, it was downhill all the way.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:24 pm

Hi Folks.. Sassy, yes I know Wymondham college. As for the way your family life turned out, as a youngster, I well understand how you must have felt. Being left to one's own devices at a young, impressionable age, can be a dangerous thing.
A lot of what you said about the eighties is right, but I'd put the initial start of the rot way back to the sixties. Prior to that time the family unit was still strong. Children were taught the skills of their parents, as with girls being taught to cook good, wholesome dinners, and boys helping dad do the manual jobs. Then it all began to turn sour. Situations like the flower power, the advent of pop music with revolutionary songs, the New Age culture. With there still being a shortage of manpower, following the 2nd world war, women had to be employed to fill the gap. That was one reason there were boat loads of migrants from the West Indies. Due to women finding themselves as important as men, in work, they, quite rightly so, demanded the same wages and rights as men. Slowly this turned into the movement for women's rights and the 'burn the bra' set. No longer were women tied to the kitcheen sink, they found themselves on a par with men. All this of course, coupled with the need for extra income, has led to a society where the family priorities have shifted from close, family units, to one of necessity and material gains with children sometimes looked upon as an interruption to that comfort zone, brought about by both parents working.

From what I can see of it, matters will only get worse unless something dramatic is done by a government with the guts to do what is right for the people, for stability, for respect. And at that point, I must agree with Mr. D.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:50 pm

Well for me, the rot REALLY started for me (by personal experience) in 1974, I can explain, if anyone's interested! Twisted Evil

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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:58 pm

MrDoodles wrote:Well for me, the rot REALLY started for me (by personal experience) in 1974, I can explain, if anyone's interested! Twisted Evil

Yes, please explain Mr Doodles.............. Question

(and while you're at it what's the "br" about after all your posts? confused)


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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:23 pm

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Yes, please explain Mr Doodles.............. Question

(and while you're at it what's the "br" about after all your posts? confused)

That bit at the bottom of my posts, has only appeared since I was banned last week, so you'll have to ask Seren, maybe I'm a marked man now! lol!

As for my own personal experience, well I'll keep it as short as possible, but the story goes back to 1971, when I was rushed in to hospital in October, as I was experiencing severe pain in my right side and turned out my right kidney was diseased, enlarged, abscessed and stoned, it was four times the size it should have been and had ended up giving me blood poisoning. Sad Sad

Well at that stage, I was actually to ill to operate on and it took them a further two weeks with various treatments and drugs, to get me to the stage where they thought I would survive surgery.

Well thankfully, I survived, but because my kidney was way bigger than it should have been, it had ended up sticking itself to the outer stomach wall, so they had to cut me wide open on the operating table and cut it away from the back.

Well this of course, is years before key-hole surgery, which did of course leave me with a scar, which has of course grown with me and now measures approximately 3 feet in length! affraid affraid

Well if your still reading this, your probably thinking, "what the hell has this got to do with the story" well bear with me and I'll explain. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

I was in hospital a further 4 weeks, before being released to recuperate at home and finally returned to school in the January of 1972, after having my 11th Birthday in the December.

Well, "so what" a lot of you will be thinking, but I was at that crucial (then) age of 11, which meant of course, that I had to take the 11+ to find out whether I went to the scummy Secondary Modern, or did in fact pass and end up at the Grammar School. Twisted Evil

So, by missing an entire Term of school, I couldn't have done it at a worse time! Evil or Very Mad

So, with the help of my fantastic Teachers, I worked my little bits off to catch up, staying behind till 6 pm at night and going in to school on Saturdays as well, I caught up, took and passed my 11+, which meant I was off to the Grammar School in September of 1972. Very Happy

Well the 1st two years were great, however, we got wind of a change for the 3rd year that was coming! Sad

For that was when the huge Education changes took place and the Grammar School became a "Comprehensive", they let in all the scum from the Secondary Modern, loads of the best Teachers left/took early retirement and from that day forth, both the levels of achievement and discipline got steadily worse, until I left in 1977, as the school headed for the Socialist model of lowest common denominator. Sad

So, all that hard work, all the extra hours, the Saturdays I went in to catch up, were all in vain, for the sake of a wonderful Socialist Ideal of Education and THAT is when I saw all that is best in Britain vanish, to be replaced with a sea of mediocrity. Sad

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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:01 pm

Hi Mr.D. Why were you banned? I hope your kidney didn't play up any more after the op, and you now lead a healthy life.

Whilst there is always a moan about class distinctions, the upper class and so forth, they are where they are because someone in the family has made good, and have taken the trouble to ensure their children get the best education and get a good career or business. Lower down the scale are those minions who don't give a toss about anything or anyone, only their needs and wants. The children become neglected, psychologically if not physically, and turn out to be work shy and pretty useless at anything and everything. Sadly that is now the run of the mill throughout the country.
How the heck it'll end up I hate to think.


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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:35 pm

stardesk wrote:Hi Mr.D. Why were you banned? I hope your kidney didn't play up any more after the op, and you now lead a healthy life.


It didn't, as it got taken out! lol! lol!

Since then, I've had stones in my left kidney in 2001, which I ended up in hospital for and was diagnosed with a 10mm one last year, for which I had three sessions of Lithotripsy, which apparently did the trick, as I went for a check up a couple of weeks ago and there's now no sign of it! Very Happy

As for being banned, you know I'm always getting into trouble for my posts! lol! lol!

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:18 am

Morning folks.

Stardesk, I do agree with you on the electronic games comment. Many parents, for various reasons it seems, do not give the attention and care to their children these days as was seen in previous generations.

I know some very middle class children who are a pain to be around. They have no respect for their elders, are rude, insulting and never help out around the house. I mean that's fine by me as this is how their mother is raising them but the weird thing is that she attempts to undermine me when I discipline my child.

Such parents are so annoying. I mean not content with having children who people cannot stand to be around they try to sabotage the efforts of parents who are trying to raise good children.

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Post by Guest on Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:38 am

WOW Mr Doodles, I hope you are taking care of yourself and that kidney! I love you x

I'm not a parent myself and I do think that bringing up children is the toughest job in the world. A lifetime commitment. It can have great rewards but also have great consequences if you get it wrong.

For most of the parents I know, their children are their first priority and they do an amazing job. You only have to walk through the town centre, read the news or take a trip to your local supermarket to know that it's not always the case Sad

Sadly, these little ones are not so lucky. I do try not to judge, as I say being a parent is difficult. However, it is heartbreaking to witness the effects of bad parenting when you know it will have such a huge impact on the child's future, on their adult lives.


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