The scourge of Political Correctness as defined by the Liberal Lefties.

fred bloggs wrote:Day in and day out we are hearing reports that P.C. has gone too far in most areas of our lives. This PC culture is spawned by the lefty liberal types who seek to impose a curtailment in our free democratic speech and rights of expression. Those who have studied Nat/Socialism in Germany under Hitler and Communist/ socialism in Russia under Stalin will immediately draw a comparison with what happened there and what is happening here. This ever increasing detremental creep into the democratic freedoms of the British people by the P.C. brigade must be stopped and then reversed as it is nearing the point where normal people are becoming scared to voice an opinion lest it be reported to the "Thought Police" and they will be unfairly proscecuted.

eilzel wrote:Correct John. But I want to go further and explain away why Freds attempt at comparing PC culture to Hitlers Nazis is the most ridiculous comparison in the world.

Political Correctness cannot possibly be drawn into comparison with Nizi Germany. And it borders on the offensive to even suggest there is.

What role did political correctness play in the mass murders of millions of Jews, Gypsies, Gays and disabled people? Perhaps if PC culture ha existed in Germany at the time the ideas that led to the Holocaust and Death Camps would never have took hold.

And it dosen't take a genius, to work out that Political Correctness itself, is partly the result of avoiding repeating such huge historical catastrophes by targetting the prejudices and irrational phobias and blame culture which caused Germany to go that route to start with.

Incidentally; the only area where Hitler may arguably have been even remotely socialist was on economic policy. And if it's one thing that Hitler seemed to get right, it was his fixing of Germanys crippled economy at the time.

eilzel wrote:When I said offensive Victor I didn't mean in such a way it shouldn't be said. Just people should hold their ignorance and perhaps consider what they are saying before making themselves sound like an angry raving lunatic... unless that is the desired effect of course

Suppressing debate is one thing. But is that really the only lousy comparison that can be made. I appreciate the concerns of those who want to be allowed to upset people not wanting that right taken away; but Hitlers Germany is far more defined by it's epic persecution of minorities.

I am right I think that PC culture is partly a response to such RW prejudices, and you have not argued this point. To compare anything to Nazi Germany without considering the Death Camps which had F all to do with suppression of speech and everything to do with ethnic cleansing risks ignoring history and making the same mistakes twice.

victorismyhero wrote:

You fail to see the point Eil, that a vast majority of the "common" people of germany DID NOT support the lunatic hitlers persecution of minorities, But were too frightened to speak out because of the supression of free speech by violent means. I am not denying the foul acts carried out in the name of RW fascism. However the LW fascists are little better in many ways........they would destroy our identity and turn the world into an unsustaianable and thus unstable, identity-less mishmash of cultures and religions which are by their very nature incompatible...almost a case of a direct inversion of what hitler tried...a kind of reverse side to the coin....the killings havnt started yet , and when they do of course the LW politicos will be able to hold their hands up in horror and claim "plausible deniability" And we...the "common people" who are most affected by this are denied OUR voice to cry out about this by PC.

eilzel wrote:

Hitlers fascist policies directly led to millions of murders. PC you say will lead to killings (I disagree) but I don' see how these could ever be so intentional and so direct.

I understand the suppression of speech aspect totally. I just don't think it is the best to use Nazi Germany as an example when talking about PC; all things considered.

victorismyhero wrote:

And I will put my foot in it and explain why the liberal leftie PC culture CAN in its way be compared to hitler and stalins regimes....The PC culture is an extremist LW attempt to silence debate, stifle dissent and cripple the "common man" in his dealings with authority. If you control HOW a person may be allowed to express themselves...you, in the end, control how they can think. The BIGGEST difference and most obvious of coures is that hitler and stalin tried to bring about this ( to the politico) desirable end by overt force and violence, whereas the leftie PC brigade are gradually doing the same thing by law and fear of the law, as Fred says, folks cannot express a controvertial opinion without fear of the PC thought police. It has crept from a perhaps admirable intent to prevent hate speech, and the horrors of the past into an all encompasing suffocating blanket that leaves the "average man in the street unable to express his anger and dismay at ANY official cock up.....it has led to the ridiculous situation where if someone is rightly angered by the stupidity of say a counciil official or such and gets a tad ratty the official in question can close down the argument with "you re being emotive...i dont have to talk to you when you are emotive....EMOTIVE...damn right he's emotive...in fact he's bleeding furious....but the council moron can carry on secure in the knowledge that he is now untouchable.....THAT is PC for you....mind control. It has got to the state wher you cannot even for instance, call a (insert whatever colour race religion or orientation you like , except of course white straight) an arsehole....because the immediate accusation is, that you "only called me that cos I is a(insert whatever colour race religion or orientation you like , except of course white straight) and thus you are immediately guilty of "hate speech"....even though you only called the guy an arse??????

As for "offending " people...well all i can say is its about time folks grew up and got a life...if i had been able to sue every asshole that has offended me over the years I'd be rich.....but do I give a flying f**k....nope....

no PC is subversive, corrosive and tyrannical......in just the same way, but by different means and for a different purpose, as the opposing idealogies of stalin and hitler...

MrDoodles wrote:

What Victor said!

Also, just as a footnote, has anyone noticed that when a LW throws the insult of "Nazi" against a RWer, they're supposed to take it in good humour, but when the insult it is reversed, the LWers ALWAYS go on about things like "but how can you compare me to killing millions of Jews" or such like, strange that they don't mind giving it out though!

victorismyhero wrote:

You fail to see the point Eil, that a vast majority of the "common" people of germany DID NOT support the lunatic hitlers persecution of minorities, But were too frightened to speak out because of the supression of free speech by violent means. I am not denying the foul acts carried out in the name of RW fascism. However the LW fascists are little better in many ways........they would destroy our identity and turn the world into an unsustaianable and thus unstable, identity-less mishmash of cultures and religions which are by their very nature incompatible...almost a case of a direct inversion of what hitler tried...a kind of reverse side to the coin....the killings havnt started yet , and when they do of course the LW politicos will be able to hold their hands up in horror and claim "plausible deniability" And we...the "common people" who are most affected by this are denied OUR voice to cry out about this by PC.

I would argue strongly this is not the action of the Left, which essentially sees a solidarity of the non-capitalist class regardless of race, religion, creed or sex, but still celebrates the diversity of those people standing together in that class, but more the relentless machinations of RW liberalism, which aims to break us down into grey, individualist consumers who can more efficiently take part in [and ultimately be controlled by] a global market dominated by transglobal corporations